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On Friday 30 December 2016 04:29 AM, John Laprise wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">"Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law
provides suitable accountability would do."</p>
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OK, John, then come to India, I hope you'd agree all stable
democracies provide stable jurisdictions, or at least most of them
do. Lets incorporate ICANN in India.<br>
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Of course, you are going to say but it is already incorporated in
the US, why change. (It is always so much easier to defend the
status quo!). I will tell you why change. A lot of non USians,
Indians among them, have shown discomfort with the application of
the current and future US public law to ICANN, and consider it
unacceptable, on the "no legislation without representation"
principle, which is very basic to democratic thinking. However,
somehow, somewhat miraculously (almost) all US based participants
here seem to have developed a strong collective view that
"application of a country's public law to ICANN simply does not
matter" (if this is not the view of most US participants here, pl do
let me know that) .<br>
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Ok, I say then, if "application of a country's public law to ICANN
simply does not matter", shift to India, and let Indian public laws
apply. Since it seems to be all the same to USian participants here
, but non USian/ Indian participants are bothered about the issue of
US public law, we solve what is a problem in the eyes of many
without taking away anything from others who dont see the problem.
Since, US participants seem not to have any problem with public laws
application in any case. <br>
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But of course, this is just a hypothetical formulation to try to
make the problem of jurisdiction clearer. I am sure people here will
never contemplate such a lowly thing as moving ICANN to India! <br>
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Guys, I have asked this question a few times here, but never get a
response. But I wont stop asking. Would the USians here have
accepted if ICANN had been incorporated in India, and sought no
change? Try to honestly answer this question - if you wont do it
publicly, just to yourself.<br>
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parminder<br>
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<p dir="ltr">This is the crux of the argument regarding
jurisdiction. Until advocates of ICANN relocation can identify a
superior jurisdiction acceptable to all, the question is moot
and should be tabled with Kavous's and Parminder's objections
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 4:50 PM Kavouss Arasteh
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<div class="gmail_msg">Dear Professor,</div>
<div class="gmail_msg">You put too much emphasis on private
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<div class="gmail_msg">Please read Bylaws Core value and the
R9ole of Governments </div>
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<div class="gmail_msg">Kavouss </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">2016-12-29 23:01
GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"
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very clear about everything, and on a crusade to
correct everyone's confusions</span><span
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class="gmail_msg">MM: Oh dear, I’ve been called
a “crusader.” (It almost made me fall off my
horse.)</span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman",serif;font-size:12pt"
class="gmail_msg">can you give us an example of
such "jurisdiction that does not involve
national borders at all", without it implying an
agreement reached among states. Are you
promoting US jurisdiction as such jurisdiction
without borders?</span><span
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<span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"
class="gmail_msg">MM: ICANN was based on a
strategy of globalization through private law.
In order to avoid jurisdictional fragmentation
of the domain name system, it created a global
governance agency based on private contracts. Of
course as a private corp ICANN has to be
incorporated somewhere, in this case for
historical reasons it was the US. It then issues
private contracts that apply anywhere, like
other multinationals. It does not have to be
incorporated in the US to follow this strategy.
Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law
provides suitable accountability would do. So
the short answer to your typically manipulative
question is no, I am not promoting “US
jurisdiction as such,” I am calling attention to
the rationale behind the original decision to
make ICANN a private nonprofit. </span></p>
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