<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Other criteria might include ease of access to courts and other forms of redress (e.g., arbitration), including timing and predictability of results, and ease of enforcing judgments (including enforcing judgments abroad). Political and financial stability and personal safety could also come into play. Government policies such as strength of freedom of speech and any history of unilaterally nationalizing businesses could also be criteria. In this specific instance, we would need to look at whether the accountability mechanisms that the CCWG arrived at in WS1 could be carried out under that jurisdiction's laws. As John Laprise notes, there are multiple complex criteria, and we could possibly get information from outside entities that measure various criteria if this was something to be pursued.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:24 PM, John Laprise <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_6751745695681269654WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_6751745695681269654__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Criteria might include strength (vis a vis rule of law), fairness, and level of corruption. These are complex criteria which can be (and are by various entities) broken down into component attributes.<u></u><u></u></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">Best regards, <u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">John Laprise, Ph.D.<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif">Consulting Scholar<u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span></span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/" target="_blank"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0563c1">http://www.linkedin.com/in/<wbr>jplaprise/</span></span><span></span></a><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Garamond",serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></p><span></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Zakir Syed [mailto:<a href="mailto:zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com" target="_blank">zakirbinrehman@yahoo.<wbr>com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Laprise <<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>>; Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>; Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74453"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">What would be the criteria for the acceptability of such a "superior jurisdiction"?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74451"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74407"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74406"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74405"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74404"><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> John Laprise <<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>; "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> "<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>>; "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-<wbr>community@icann.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2016 3:59 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74409"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div id="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74412"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74506"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law provides suitable accountability would do."<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74411"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">This is the crux of the argument regarding jurisdiction. Until advocates of ICANN relocation can identify a superior jurisdiction acceptable to all, the question is moot and should be tabled with Kavous's and Parminder's objections noted.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74416"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833yqtfd98070"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74415"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 4:50 PM Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in" id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74420"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74419"><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74418"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Dear Professor,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74527"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">You put too much emphasis on private .<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="m_6751745695681269654yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1483631528515_74529"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Please read Bylaws Core value and the R9ole of Governments <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">2016-12-29 23:01 GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L <span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span>:<u></u><u></u></span></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Milton, since you seem to so very clear about everything, and on a crusade to correct everyone's confusions</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">MM: Oh dear, I’ve been called a “crusader.” (It almost made me fall off my horse.)</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">can you give us an example of such "jurisdiction that does not involve national borders at all", without it implying an agreement reached among states. Are you promoting US jurisdiction as such jurisdiction without borders?</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">MM: ICANN was based on a strategy of globalization through private law. In order to avoid jurisdictional fragmentation of the domain name system, it created a global governance agency based on private contracts. Of course as a private corp ICANN has to be incorporated somewhere, in this case for historical reasons it was the US. It then issues private contracts that apply anywhere, like other multinationals. It does not have to be incorporated in the US to follow this strategy. Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law provides suitable accountability would do. So the short answer to your typically manipulative question is no, I am not promoting “US jurisdiction as such,” I am calling attention to the rationale behind the original decision to make ICANN a private nonprofit. </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span class="m_6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-<wbr>Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/accountability-cross-<wbr>community</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-<wbr>Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/accountability-cross-<wbr>community</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div id="m_6751745695681269654yqtfd49776"><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community@icann.org" target="_blank">Accountability-Cross-<wbr>Community@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/accountability-cross-<wbr>community</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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