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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">And once the criteria have been established, I think we’d also need to clearly demonstrate whether/how the current (US/California) jurisdiction fails to deliver on some/all of these identified
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 16:00 <br>
<b>To: </b>John Laprise <jlaprise@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"accountability-cross-community@icann.org" <accountability-cross-community@icann.org>, ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana">Other criteria might include ease of access to courts and other forms of redress (e.g., arbitration), including timing and predictability of results, and ease of enforcing judgments (including enforcing
judgments abroad). Political and financial stability and personal safety could also come into play. Government policies such as strength of freedom of speech and any history of unilaterally nationalizing businesses could also be criteria. In this specific
instance, we would need to look at whether the accountability mechanisms that the CCWG arrived at in WS1 could be carried out under that jurisdiction's laws. As John Laprise notes, there are multiple complex criteria, and we could possibly get information
from outside entities that measure various criteria if this was something to be pursued.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:24 PM, John Laprise <<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a name="m_6751745695681269654__MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Criteria might include strength (vis a vis rule of law), fairness,
and level of corruption. These are complex criteria which can be (and are by various entities) broken down into component attributes.</span></a><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Garamond">John Laprise, Ph.D.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> Zakir Syed [mailto:<a href="mailto:zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com" target="_blank">zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Laprise <<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>>; Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>; Mueller, Milton L <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black">What would be the criteria for the acceptability of such a "superior jurisdiction"?</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> John Laprise <<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>; "Mueller, Milton L" <<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>>
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<b>Cc:</b> "<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>>; "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2016 3:59 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The crusade for clarity continues</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">"Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law provides suitable accountability would do."</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">This is the crux of the argument regarding jurisdiction. Until advocates of ICANN relocation can identify a superior jurisdiction acceptable to all, the question is moot and should be tabled with
Kavous's and Parminder's objections noted.</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">On Thu, Dec 29, 2016, 4:50 PM Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Dear Professor,</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">You put too much emphasis on private .</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Please read Bylaws Core value and the R9ole of Governments
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Regards</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">2016-12-29 23:01 GMT+01:00 Mueller, Milton L
<span class="m6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span>:</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="m6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">Milton, since you seem to so very clear about everything, and on a crusade to correct everyone's confusions</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="m6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D">MM: Oh dear, I’ve been called a “crusader.” (It almost made me fall off my horse.)</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="m6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black">can you give us an example of such "jurisdiction that does not involve national borders at all", without it implying an agreement reached among states. Are
you promoting US jurisdiction as such jurisdiction without borders?</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="m6751745695681269654yiv3981630833gmailmsg"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#1F497D">MM: ICANN was based on a strategy of globalization through private law. In order to avoid jurisdictional fragmentation of the domain name system, it created
a global governance agency based on private contracts. Of course as a private corp ICANN has to be incorporated somewhere, in this case for historical reasons it was the US. It then issues private contracts that apply anywhere, like other multinationals. It
does not have to be incorporated in the US to follow this strategy. Any stable jurisdiction where the corporate law provides suitable accountability would do. So the short answer to your typically manipulative question is no, I am not promoting “US jurisdiction
as such,” I am calling attention to the rationale behind the original decision to make ICANN a private nonprofit.
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