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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #16</b> – 10 January 2017 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/yqXDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/yqXDAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> A copy of the notes may be found below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1D1D1D"> </span><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant parts of chat):</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: (opening with 30 participants). No updates to SOIs. No audio only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Proposed Questionnaire:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> <b>a. Options for Question 4</b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: (proposals for Question 4 document - staff to prep DM proposal also).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: which version are we discussing? It is important for all of us to agree on something. DM text needs to include "mission".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: I prefer we begin with the formulations already discussed in the last call and not new David's text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: I dont agree with current David's text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: I think we should move ahead with Qs 1-3 and continue working on Q4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: but can do with Seun's changes, with changing "instances" to "facts" in Seun's modified text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: re my suggestion - I could support the GS reformulation of this. Still disagree we deal with JOI.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: it's obvious that we will not reach agreement on any version of Q4 in this call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Brenda Brewer: Documents can be found on Jurisdiction Wiki page here; <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/yqXDAw"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://community.icann.org/x/yqXDAw</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: I support the McAuley Formulation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Vidushi Marda: Would it be possible to begin by discussing the alts discussed in the last call first?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: I can support either David's Q4 or the adjusted version circulated by Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Obviously there is traction for this compromise, I suggest to call for any objection ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Mathieu " 1 ,taking also my suggestion to bring back Mission in to the text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: We should focus on the previously presented 7 versions and could support any of these except 7.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Have not supported Q4 but in the spirit of compromise could agree to the reformulated DM question. If we cannot reach consensus on Q4 we should proceed to the plenary with the first
3 questions and advise we will continue to work on Q4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: Agree with SDB and like the simplicity of this version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Please put Seun’s modification on the screen, which had good support on the elist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: Of course, we can always come up with interpretive scenarios in which laws might cause problems in the future but 19 years seems like a prettty good sample in which to find "instances"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Steve makes a good point about consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: not constructive to work on 7 versions. Could work with DM version with MISSION included.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: If McCauley's version of Q4 gains something close to consensus, I would strongly prefer that we stick to David's first, simpler version<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Please put at least Seun's and my changes to david's text as alternatie text here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: "Mission" is broader and easier to understand than "actual operations....bla bla"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): +1 Milton, I could support Greg's reformulation but prefer original reference to Mission - that is what matters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Agree with Jonathan Z's observation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): by adding Mission and leaving other reformulated wording we risk confusion again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: simpler is better<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: agree with David on that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: why David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: this is the wording<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: "Are you aware of any material, documented facts whereby ICANN has been or which are likely to cause it to be disabled from pursue or pursuing the actual operation of its policies and
accountability mechanisms because of ICANN’s jurisdiction? If so, please provide documentation, including specific examples and references to specific laws."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): adding Mission and leaving other wording implies the two sets of wordings are different -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: @Milton -- "mission" is a concept that few understand, since it is expressed in the bylaws as a multi-part statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: "Mission" alone is better choice, as it is pursued via operation of policies and accountability mechanisms and therefore includes them by implication.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: re-insert MISSION in square brakets and send to the CCWG-Accountability plenary and they cand decide.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: I also agree that simpler (and symmetric) is better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Our scope is actually narrower than pursuit of mission. It is about accountability mechanisms<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Corwin is correct<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: we should always be trying to avoid another argument in the future. If "mission" is vague then we get less useful answers and spend our time discussion what the mission is again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Steve - understand your point but we have built ICANN's accountability mechanisms around Cal jurisdiction, ergo we are asking whether anything related to ICANN's mission is sacrificed by
that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: @Kavous "Mission" is a problem because it requires that survey takers actually know the mission verbatim from memory when they answer the survey rather than what they think the mission
is. That's why mission is problematic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: strong objection to not showing my or Sheun's modifications to DM's text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Pls put " Mission" added into SQUARE bRACKET and send it to CCWG pLENARY<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: @Milton, we certainly all believe that we do but to John's point we've all internalized different versions of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Re KA question - my concern is to avoid confusion by inserting mission.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: i also put them here , puttting again<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: "Are you aware of any material, documented facts whereby ICANN has been or which are likely to cause it to be disabled from pursue or pursuing the actual operation of its policies and
accountability mechanisms because of ICANN’s jurisdiction? If so, please provide documentation, including specific examples and references to specific laws."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: if it's "likely" it would have happened or showed signs of happening by now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: "facts" vs "instances" doesn't seem that important, P; if that replacement is made would you accept the new Q4 as formulated?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: ICANN's mission is in Section 1.1 of the new bylaws. It is over 700 words long. I doubt anyone could quote it by memory. Do we need to include a reference to the bylaws as part
of the question?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: seun's text that I amended was ""Are you aware of any material, documented instance(s) where ICANN has been or will be unable to pursue the actual operation of its policies and accountability
mechanisms because of ICANN’s jurisdiction? If so, please provide documentation, including specific examples and references to specific laws."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Milton, facts, plus as seun says, in future part "or will be" formulation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: it does cover alt jurisdiction<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: If addition of mission causes so much confusion, then I withdraw my suggestion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: yes there is,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: As the current accountability mechanisms relate to the reformulated Mission, perhaps just follow the question with either the text of the WS1 Mission statement or a link to it? That
way everyone has ready guidance to the same formulation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Ghislain de Salins: what about the original objective of Q4 about alternative jurisdiction in DM's proposal? (explanation it is there by GS)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton Mueler: Still want to separate Q4 but we seem to be making progress. DM proposal is very close to consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: If you get a response about ICANN jurisdiction that does not directly relate to the questions but it is a problem that ICANN jurisdiction raises, is the group going to discard it?or
are we gonna discuss it within the mandate of the group…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Milton, well said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Brenda Brewer: On behalf of Seun Ojedeji: Staff is still trying to get me connected via dialout (don't have the juice for AC at my location). Just incase, kindly note my proposal for the wording
of the first paragraph of question 4 and the suggestion to have the 2 paragraphs as 4a and 4b for clarity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: Absolutely<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Vidushi Marda: I think its important to remember, as Greg has pointed out, we are not going to be "limited" by the answers that we get.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Seun may not be locatabl, but I am here. And i have ent my formulation. please put it up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: I think we have to think about those who want to answer these questions more .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: agree with Milton.Let's just stick with David's original formulation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Milron cutting out now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Agree with Milton.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: need to put up Sheun and my versions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Wale: No, no, no, no. We are close to agreement, let's not spend another month on trivial verbal changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: Vidushi sent the formulations to the email. Brenda can you put it up ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: lets put the DM version in front of people and get the co-chair to respond to FB.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: why are you not putting up that text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: I support Milton's view, let's take stock of progress<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: As Corwin suggests, we can link to the new mission and core values statement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(Staff) displaying Sean and Parminder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Zuck: I like instances better, too. As suggested in my talk, David's original is the best imho<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: Again formulating the converse of these alternatives (an affirmative of the present jurisdiction) is awkward. These are negative/critical cases only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): My concern with the two proposals on screen is the guessing/speculation called for about the future<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Stick with David's original, I'd say<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: The future should be logically deductible form "facts"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: Can we do an informal poll on this call between the three<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: that is done all the time in policy/ insitutional work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: I would not support speculation about future facts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Agree with Zuck. Also, it is time to take yes for an answer. Responders will say whatever they wish to regardless of precise formulation of the question, and this group will have
to sort through the answers and decide what is useful and relevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Herb Waye Ombuds: Sorry for my late drop in... greetings all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: David's language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: and these 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: the future should also be logically deductible from the past if the past is 19 years<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): argh. should sayo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: David's original<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Past is prologue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: David's<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Polling - DM original version (12 pro). Object to DM's original version (3). Going to Seun's option (4+, 11-). Last Parminder version (3+, 11-). DM modified version (2+, 8-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: NO, either mission OR policies and accountability. Listing both just confuses things and implies that policy and accountability are separate from mission.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Important to identifiy any *objection*<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: just added my check a bit late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Greg -- you can set your Adobe view to sort and count the check marks. We got to 13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: If support for McAuley's Q4 is deemed insufficient for consensus, then I think we move ahead with our 3 consensus questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: Grrg/ staff, pl correct the count for my proposal - it was 3 and not 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): I agree w Greg porposal only as alterantive - I support the Mission (alone - unrefoprmulated) first<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: if you don't wish to propose it Greg, you don't have to; it's your proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mary Uduma: we are actually arguing on trivals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: we should not use such poll to determine things. if we are going to use a poll for decsion making it should be well formed and should use AC polling capabilities. My abstentions are
process related.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Bernard Turcotte Staff Support: @Parminder fixed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Kavouss, my support was for testing objections on David proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): in other words I strongly support my original proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Vidushi Marda: Unsure what we are voting on<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: yes neitehr do I. The text seems a bit messy. Ah, mission sould be ignored, ok<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: I am abstaining because I don't wish to vote against Greg's last formulation, but prefer David's alternative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: +1Tatiana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jonathan Zuck: Just feels like a mouthfl for a survey given the simplicity of David's formulation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): yes Phil me a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: I agree with Avri's process objection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mark Carvell UK GAC rep: Abstaining becuase it is not quite there with David's on clarity and precision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): also<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: we have our result from the polling and this should be reported to the plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: I agree that the poll is not very scientific, but only 1 alternative had more support than objections and that is telling in and of itself. That is what needs to be recommended to
the plenary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: It's clear that David's original formulation has broadest rough consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: This was excellent consensus assessment, we're not polling or voting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: Mathieu is right<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: We seem to have a consensus position. Anyone objecting to this being the consensus?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: This is done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: I do not know the rules to read consensus here. So just state disagreement with the formulations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: consensus is nto consensus when enough people object to calling it such<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: what is enough?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Farzy people who don't want to call it consensus :)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: If you believe that support for McAuley's Q4 is insufficient for consensus, then I think we move ahead with our 3 consensus questions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: I do not think there is consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): i hear beeping<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Can we mute Nigel line<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: Agree with Steve. Either david's formulation has consensus support and should go forward, or no version has consensus support and we should abandon the question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: cannot qualify that consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: Philip, I would noot agree with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Agree with Philip. Those who were aganist sending out Q4 at all moved enough to meet others in the middle by accepting David's version<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i am not disagreeing that we have consensus, but threaten me that we have consensus or nothing, and i will join the objectors<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: agreed, so motioned...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: @Avri-reasonable people can disagree. My view is that after all this time and effort it is time to fish or cut bait. I believe that there is consensus support for David's formulation
as just demonstrated in straw poll<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: We will go forward with the 4 questions which include DM's original version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: noone is threatening anyone, Avri, merely noting the fact that no version of Q4 other than David's is going to get consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: If some do not agree this is not consensus on 4 then we go ahead with 3 questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: noone is threatening anyone, Avri, merely noting the fact that no version of Q4 other than David's is going to get consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: we have no consensus for sending just 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: yes we do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Vidushi Marda: +1 avri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Parminder: But no consensus on 1-3 either<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mary Uduma: I think the 4th question has a enough support to move forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Not necessary to reopen the debate - this is a good compromise position and thank everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Parminder -- we had 29-2 support for questions 1-3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: Agreed Greg: move ahead with Q1-4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Mathieu + 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): we had 1-3 well supported earlier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Milton: +1 Mathieu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jeff Neuman: @Parminder, can you please also state the basis for your objection. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: On the last call we achieved consensus on 1-3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i agree that just one objection, for a postion that i beleive is understood, does not break ICANN consensus, i.e. agree that Greg got to something he can call consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: so we are good? 1-4 will be sent out?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: We have consensus on all Qs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mary Uduma: @Parminder, not so on 1-3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: YES!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: wow what a day<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: SUCCESS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Appreciation to GS for the effort to get us here. Leave it as is. Still need to answer FB's question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: will deal with this on the list. Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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