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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #18</b> – 24 January 2017 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/4aXDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/4aXDAw</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> A copy of the notes and action items<span style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span>may be found below. <span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brenda Brewer <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in">ICANN<b> </b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Action Items</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#333333"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Greg Shatan to redraft Summary Form per comments today and distribute to list.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#333333"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Volunteers to analyze cases using forms should pick their cases (sign up sheet) and complete their analysis per the Form for 14 February.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#333333"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">David McAuley will draft a question this for external counsel regarding the possibility of ICANN being sued in other jurisdiction in the digital age. This will be distributed
on the list for comments.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6;background:white">
<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#333333"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Greg Shatan will prepare questions from the “Influence of ICANN’s Existing Jurisdiction” document for the sub-group’s next meeting and distribute on the list.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:22.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant portions of chat):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">9 Participants at start of call</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Apologies from Kavouss Arasteh, Jorge Cancio. Becky Burr audio only. Updates to SOIs? (none).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Questionnaire</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a. Publishing and Announcing the Questionnaire</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Has been discussing on list. Suggest announce of ICANN Public comments page and then point to a URL. It can then be published or referenced by any of us. No objections. Will proceed
as such if ICANN has no objections.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: we have a number of options to consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: If we publish with translation between 8 to 10 February the standard 42 day period would end after ICANN 58.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Support MW. We should be preparing to analyze the questionnaire responses as responses come in - may be efficient to have a team for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Translation in the standard UN languages is built into the plan and will publish all at the same time. Any comments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Are we going beyond the UN 6?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: No decision yet regarding Farsi.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: FB suggestion is noble but would urge caution in going beyond the UN 6. Would recommend we stick with the standard UN 6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: DM points well taken. would like to point out that are issues with non-professional translation. ALAC uses these services and often goes beyond the UN6 into Portuguese often.
Reverse translation issue will still be there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Matthew shears: it is always wise to use accepted languages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill 2: accepted practice in general I would add<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Good point CLO about the large number of Asian Pacific languages - I for one speak a little Tagalog and my wife, from Manila, speaks it fluently - a beautiful language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: Unless there is a specific reason to go beyond the UN 6 do not understand why we would expand - and any translation should be professional. If someone wants to translate informally to
distribute it to their contacts this is fine but responses have to be in the UN 6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: temp check Limit to UN6 - (6+ and none against). Going beyond UN6 and have a specific suggestion? ( none, 1 gainst). Will do the standard UN languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: oops I got here late. But suggesting Farsi was not because it was an Asian language. Iranians are affected by ICANN jusridcition more than those that speak Telagu or other things<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: another thing added to my tasks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Vidushi Marda: Farzi - I don't think that's fair to say, it has atleast 85 million native speakers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: Vidushi we have cases should be discussed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: it's not about how many speak it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Vidushi Marda: agreed - but this is forward looking and there are many people interested in the work of this group - who are :) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: your argument resulted in an a decision that just adds to my workload. and not many Iranians are going to respond to these in english<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Vidushi Marda: agreed, I'm not saying it isn't important at all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: and I don't know how accurate informal trnaslation is going to be,. I am not going to give up on this and will translate but this was not a decision to make by arguing just that
oh there are so many other languages<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: I have given specific examples how Iranians are affected<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: did anyone do that who speaks some other language? anyhow. doesnt matter spendiing life on ICANN might be good for me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Small Group Review of ICANN’s Past and Current Litigation</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a. Litigations: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/litigation-en"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/litigation-en</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Review of the 35 or so cases. Have prepare a suggestion for a draft summary form and circulated for comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">b. Draft Summary Form: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efkQOvSwW-2m1T_u6anFMVUeiHoO6P4PR3-0mWlU_Cs/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efkQOvSwW-2m1T_u6anFMVUeiHoO6P4PR3-0mWlU_Cs/edit?usp=sharing</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Review of Summary report draft form.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): maybe make it a binary question - was jurisdiction contested in any manner<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Matthew shears: perhaps the justification for considering it relevant to our work should be the last line of the summary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill 2: Our "influence" doc has 3 categories we could map to cases : Influence on operation of ICANN policies, of ICANN acct mechanisms, on Disputes involving ICANN - We could tag according
to this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: are we going to discuss arbitration cases to ( if there are any?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Stick with the list which includes the 1 arbitration case. Action Item: GS to edit the draft summary form per discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Greg - do we have a time scale for this effort?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: 35 cases and 9 volounteers = about 4 cases per person - 3 weeks should be enough (Action Item for Analysis team members: reports would be due 14 February).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): ok<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit?usp=sharing</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4. “Influence of ICANN’s Existing Jurisdiction” document, Section C<br>
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_uxN8A5J3iaofnGlr5gYoFVKudgg_DuwDgIuyICPzbk/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_uxN8A5J3iaofnGlr5gYoFVKudgg_DuwDgIuyICPzbk/edit?usp=sharing</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: Is this just about the US or are we looking at what would happen elsewhere?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Good questions, will have to refine our working method as to how input in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): I think that is a good comment on my comment Greg – this asks us to wonder about the future when we have past performance to judge by – why not go by that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Use Plaintiff language as suggested by GS. will also help us classify the cases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Good point Mathieu. You state is that ICANN can be sued in other jurisdictions. It may be worth asking our external legal counsel about that in the digital age.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: DM good question. Action Item: DM will propose on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): ok, will do<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): a bit later in the week<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Any other comments? (none). Continue discussion of document. Keeping parties accountable is good - so allowing people to sue allows for this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): I think Greg makes a fair point about capacity to be sued - a basic thing that is easy to perhaps overlook at times.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: This is an important part of our work and hope that we can have better discussions on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I have not been back to this document recently. this is important and we need to get back to it. suggest we note it in the agenda.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: I would take it further and extract the questions and distribute as a specific assignment to help people focus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): good idea - and ask us to generate questions about it too<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): this may take several weeks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Decisions:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Questionnaire will be announced on ICANN Public Comment page which will have a web link to it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Questionnaire will only be translated in the official UN languages by ICANN Language services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Questionnaire will be published in all languages simultaneously.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Time period for responding to questionnaire should be standard 42 days (it is expected that the translations will be available between the 8<sup>th</sup> and 10<sup>th</sup> of
February which would put the closing 24 March) extensions for those requesting this could be possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Review of ICANN’s Past and Current Litigation will only focus on the 35 cases listed on the web site and not include IRP etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Action Items:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan to redraft Summary Form per comments today and distribute to list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Volunteers to analyze cases using forms should pick their cases (sign up sheet) and complete their analysis per the Form for 14 February.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley will draft a question this for external counsel regarding the possibility of ICANN being sued in other jurisdiction in the digital age. This will be
distributed on the list for comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan will prepare questions from the “Influence of ICANN’s Existing Jurisdiction” document for the sub-group’s next meeting and distribute on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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