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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #19</b> – 30 January 2017 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/14PRAw">https://community.icann.org/x/14PRAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> A copy of the notes and action items may be found below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda Brewer <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN<b>
</b>-<b> </b>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Action Items:</span></b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Greg Shatan to redraft Summary Form per comments on the list</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Volunteers to analyze cases using forms should pick their cases (sign up sheet) and complete their analysis per the Form for 14 February.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">MW has completed his 2 cases.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Re draft question from DM on possibility of ICANN being sued in other jurisdictions – sub-group should review and post comment if any this week.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant portions of chat):</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Welcome</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: (15 participants at start of call). No changes to SOIs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Questionnaire </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> a. Time Period for Responses to the Questionnaire</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Greg Shatan: Great deal of discussion. Some requesting 30 days after the ICANN58 meeting. Would suggest closing 7 April with no extensions possible - as a middle ground. Any comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Bernard Turcotte: Reminder that KA has requested 30 days after ICANN 58.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: yes 7 April would be a compromise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: sure, give all the time people need.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): I ilke the idea of not extending and looking at replies as they come in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: the longer the better to allow participation and knowledge of the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Good points, we have a lot of work to do in the meantime so no reason not to extend. Also, we can ask people to respond early and the group can consider these as they come in. As such
would suggest closing 17 April which is 30 days after ICANN 58 closes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: A quick work plan note: Mid Apr is 2 months away from Johannesburg. Might be difficult to be in a position to have a 1st reading by then<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley (RySG): Good point Mathieu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Not that it is a deadline, but it's important to manage expectations on timeline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan:(decision) No objections. So, the questionnaire will be taking responses until 17 April which is 30 days after ICANN58 and there will be no extensions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: if we work with the replies coming in, then finishing up after the 17th might be quick. and we can make a plea for early responses because of the schedule.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Hypothetical #1 (taken from “Influence of ICANN’s Existing Jurisdiction” document, Section C )</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: This is what I think is the heart of our work. (going through the document).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: A difficulties I am having is understanding WHAT WENT WRONG. Otherwise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: does the nationality of the plaintiff feed in any complexity?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: On point 4, if the ruling is against ICANN and ICANN belives the ruling to be erroneous, it has a right of appeal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Who is judging on correctly or wrongly decided?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: it is a possible good thing to mark all the points in the hypotheticals where some action by ICANN and its Board & EC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: IMH< the key consideration is that ICANN is HQ'd in a jurisdiction with a clear commitment to the rule of law, and that any party with standing can initiate litigation regardless
of their home jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: Philip sometimes easier said than done<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: We should check how many litigations in court were initiated by parties outside the US (to check how Phil's requirement translates into practice)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: As long as someone from the 7 countries does not need to appear in court, it might be ok.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: @Avri--challenges of bringing litigation, especially costs, are hardly unique to US<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: Would the decision different in either case?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: i don't know, but i understand some view a physical presence as sometimes preferable in terms of making an appeal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Wale Bakare: In physical's emotions can get involved and perhaps could impact on the decision<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: often a good thing<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Philip Corwin: regardless of the governing law, the court's ruling might be pro-ICANN from one judge and anti-ICANN from another. There is no way to guarantee 100% consistency in any judicial forum.
That's why there are rights of appeal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria: they are part of the equation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: Having ICANN accountable to other governing laws might actually bring additional accountability, for instance related to privacy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathieu Weill: This is a great list of factors to compare jurisdiction if need be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: It might help if we segment questions in 2 ways - Corporate Governance questions and Everything else.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: This could be a template for looking at things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4. Small Group Review of ICANN’s Past and Current Litigation </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> a. Litigations: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/litigation-en"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/litigation-en</span></a>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> b. Draft Summary Form: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efkQOvSwW-2m1T_u6anFMVUeiHoO6P4PR3-0mWlU_Cs/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1efkQOvSwW-2m1T_u6anFMVUeiHoO6P4PR3-0mWlU_Cs/edit?usp=sharing</span></a>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Greg Shatan: Kudos to MW for being the first to complete his.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> David McAuley (RySG): Thanks for that Mathieu - I need to get active on my reviews<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Philip Corwin: Facts are often in dispute in litigation, with the court being the ultimate finder of facts. It finds the facts, and then it applies the relevant law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Mathieu Weill: GS will wait for your update to the forms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Greg Shatan: Will do. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> c. Sign-Up Sheet: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit?usp=sharing</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5 “Influence of ICANN’s Existing Jurisdiction” document, Section C a.<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_uxN8A5J3iaofnGlr5gYoFVKudgg_DuwDgIuyICPzbk/edit?usp=sharing"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_uxN8A5J3iaofnGlr5gYoFVKudgg_DuwDgIuyICPzbk/edit?usp=sharing</span></a></span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Greg Shatan: We need to look to other hypotheticals that go to this question. KA has suggested a list of questions earlier in the year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">6. AOB</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: DM has drafted question for ICANN Legal. Will consider this week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">7. Adjourn</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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