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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>Staff Accountability Subgroup Meeting #8</b> – 2 February 2017 will be available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/MgC4Aw">https://community.icann.org/x/MgC4Aw</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A copy of the notes may be found below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Brenda Brewer, Projects & Operations Assistant </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Notes (including relevant portions of chat):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1. Intro: agenda review, attendance, SOI check<o:p></o:p></span></u></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Audio only: Jeff Neuman, Greg Shatan, George Sadowsky.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Roll call will be taken from AC room.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">No SOI updates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2. Update on working draft Document A version 1.3.<o:p></o:p></span></u></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jordan is rapporteur on this document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(main item at 16 Feb meeting)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Document, open to comments and suggested edits, can be found at:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGRrJZ-i7WA0uYBIHaB5Q3ssqfRmbAcgHJwlQ6scHZY/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGRrJZ-i7WA0uYBIHaB5Q3ssqfRmbAcgHJwlQ6scHZY/edit</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marked up from previous version available for review:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXuZw-VFeMLT3B5UHLU_nY1SWyzp6-VLeVZF1FY0UDk/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wXuZw-VFeMLT3B5UHLU_nY1SWyzp6-VLeVZF1FY0UDk/edit</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Very few people have edited the document so far. Document will be kept open on-line one more week, and will be reviewed by the subgroup during the next call, on Feb 16.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">3. Detailed Discussion of Responses to Staff questions<o:p></o:p></span></u></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ELuw6i3mGAjnZBe0Vc_lraNQrWw5m_I6UyipEHaRJxc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ELuw6i3mGAjnZBe0Vc_lraNQrWw5m_I6UyipEHaRJxc/edit?usp=sharing</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Avri: Answers have been mostly contributed by Klaus. Encourage others to contribute. Not sure if we have alignment between document A and the answers provided here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Julf Helsingius: Yes, ICANN.org tends to promote ICANN, not the community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Jeff Neuman: FYI - The registries have some thoughts on Question 1 that we will be submitting. The registries have been in discussion with ICANN staff. There have been situations where ICANN has tried to
push their views without going through the multistakeholder process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Jeff: Why did ICANN respond to our questions with more questions? what is ICANN going to do with these answers? seems very defensive from ICANN to answer our questions with more questions. Does it mean
they won't participate in these discussions unless we answer their questions?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Greg Shatan: this discussion shows the challenge of staff accountability. Difficult to balance out accountability and transparency and necessity to make business decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• George Sadowsky: speaking as board liaison for this group. I am in LA, so I can try to better understand what is going on here and reach out to staff.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Phil Corwin: I haven't had the same experience but I don't represent contracted parties. I would like to see listed under question 1 a specific example, ie request for reconsideration filed in 2016.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Avri: there are many bilateral issues, I'd like to encourage people to voice them out.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• George: are these isolated incidents?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Philip Corwin: At a certain point a series of isolated incidents constitutes a clear pattern of behavior experienced by a broad cross section of the community<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Jeff Neuman: <a href="http://schd.ws/hosted_files/icann572016/a6/I57%20HYD_Sun06Nov2016-Board%20with%20Contracted%20Party%20House-en.pdf">
http://schd.ws/hosted_files/icann572016/a6/I57%20HYD_Sun06Nov2016-Board%20with%20Contracted%20Party%20House-en.pdf</a> ,[schd.ws] starting on page 30 and continuing pretty much to the end we talk about the seemingly adversarial relationship between the contracted
parties and the ICANN staff<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">• Philip Corwin: In regard to question 3, perhaps we should ask staff to identify specific instances in which they have not been treated in a respectful manner, because I can't recall witnessing any.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">4. Discussion/Seeking feedback on First Draft Document B<o:p></o:p></span></u></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Avri is rapporteur on this document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UnkJuukv0px-CfIDgLrjdDZa2CpBvSahPvAXdYYTeHk/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UnkJuukv0px-CfIDgLrjdDZa2CpBvSahPvAXdYYTeHk/edit</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Avri: encouraging people to contribute to this document too.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">5. Schedule check<o:p></o:p></span></u></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We have slipped on our schedule. Jordan and I need to recalibrate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt">6. AOB<o:p></o:p></span></u></i></p>
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