<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Secretariat, This is to improve the language of what is transcribed.</div><div>See Below</div><div> <font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Comments – Substantive discussions:</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - we had provided a question to
Sidley and they had confirmed there was a problem with the Timing issue. Since
then MH has taken on looking at this issue. Over to MH for a discussion on the
issue.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Kavouss Arasteh - when we review the comments
should <span> </span>the number of comments compared
with the number of CCWG which adopted the provisions which were the basis of
comments are very few <span> </span>- does it justify
changing our recommendation which were approved by the plenary.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - Note wrt to timing counsel has
noted there is a timing so we have to consider this. the point is we consider
the comments and respond to them - it does not mean that we have to agree with
them.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Malcolm Hutty - My understanding is different
from KA - the plenary only approved that we should put this out for public
comment and not they approved the USP. So we need to go through these.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Kavouss Arasteh - This is the responsibility of the
CCWG-Accountability so how will we manage this?</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - we are not a a sub-group of the
CCWG-Accountability.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley: I agree w/Malcolm on this part</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"> a. Timing for
claim filing</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Malcolm Hutty - (review of MH document on this).</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Kavouss Arasteh - irrespective of <span> </span>whether we agree to change this - I have never
heard of a process that has had <span> </span>no time
limit for reply7action <span> </span>like taxes - we
should agree that the option of no limit is off the table.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Malcolm Hutty - there have been two comments that
we put a moratorium on this and publish without a limit for now and re-evaluate
later. If we were to go with that - how would we do this - one way could be to
remove any numerical time bar and say it is the responsibility of the Panel.
Third option - no moratorium - we need a revised time bar that is consistent
with the Bylaws which can be defended. (first option is not any time limit).
So, the first question is do we put this off or not.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Becky Burr - when you are talking about no time
period - are we talking about repose or time to file? KA is correct that there
is always a time limit like a statute of limitations.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Malcolm Hutty - (the Business Constituency text
on moratorium) so more than just about the repose. If we accept this we can
stop this now - if not we need to go on.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - I would be opposed to what the
proposal of a moratorium - a time limit which typically ensues for courts or
... Can we cur through this to say there is a time bar but the panel could rule
that a claim could be brought beyond these time bars for reasons?</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Malcolm Hutty - this would handle most of the
concerns. But would not satisfy the bias question.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Becky Burr 2: I would be willing to dispense with
an absolute repose, but very uncomfortable without a "statute of
limitations" commencing from a knows or should have known standard</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Becky Burr 2: 6 months from the time you know or
should know that you have/will be harmed</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Becky Burr 2: plus David's fundamental fairness
caveat</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Kavouss Arasteh - not in favour of DM's proposal.
I would suggest the we do the reverse of what is recommended by the Business
Community - pick a time and state <span> </span>to
review within two / three years based on actual harm occurred </font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Malcolm Hutty - KA proposal could be considered
as being against the Bylaws in a legal opinion.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Becky Burr 2: if we take this approach we need to
consider how the CEP process affects/extends the filing deadline and greatly
extends the timeline</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Becky Burr 2: please also my comments are made in
my personal capacity and I am not speaking for the Board or ICANN</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - We are going to have to work
these issues on the list. I would ask that MH summarize this for the list so we
can kick off those discussions.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Kavouss Arasteh - if we propose a new approach we
will have to go back to public comment - do not like the idea of doing
something completely new.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Action Item: MH to summarize discussions on
Timing point and post to the list for further discussion.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"> b. Parties –
Joinder, etc</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - (presentation of DM paper).</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Kavouss Arasteh - retroactive application of
rules - there is no logic in this. This will bring instability to the process.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - KA this is specified in the
Bylaws but I will mention your point in my summary.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">Action Item: DM to summarize discussions on
Parties and Joinder points and post to the list for further discussion.</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"> 4. AOB (none)</font></span></b></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri">David McAuley - reminder to everyone to keep an
eye on the list and participate.</font></span></b></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"><span>Pls replace my comments with the above</span></font></span></b></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"><span>Regards</span></font></span></b></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="line-height:115%;font-size:14pt"><font color="#000000" face="Calibri"><span><strong>Kavouss </strong></span></font></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><strong>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hello all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The notes, recordings and transcripts for the IRP-IOT Meeting #15 on 2 March 2017 will be available here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/OYPRAw" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/<wbr>x/OYPRAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A copy of the notes may be found below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></i></b><b><i><span style="color:rgb(29,29,29);font-size:11pt">B</span></i></b><b><i><span style="color:rgb(29,29,29);font-size:10.5pt">rewer,</span></i></b><i><span style="color:rgb(29,29,29);font-size:10.5pt"> Projects & Operations Assistant <u></u><u></u></span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:22.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">Action Items:<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<u></u><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Symbol;font-size:10.5pt"><span>·<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><u></u><b><span style="color:blue;font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">DM to confirm to IOT when he would be available to meet members of the IOT in Copenhagen.</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Symbol;font-size:10.5pt"><span>·<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><u></u><b><span style="color:blue;font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">MH to summarize discussions on Timing point and post to the list for further discussion.</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u></u><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Symbol;font-size:10.5pt"><span>·<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><u></u><b><span style="color:blue;font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">DM to summarize discussions on Parties and Joinder points and post to the list for further discussion.</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:22.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial">Notes (including relevant parts of the chat): <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">10 Participants at start if call<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">1. Administrivia</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"> a. Roll - no audio only<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"> b. SoI (none)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">2. Considering Comments: </span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - Our job is becoming largely advisory wrt to the panel. However, the rules are our decisional role. Will try to get some space at ICANN 58 for a few hours so we can talk about this
- will post a note to the group regarding.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Avri Doria: what is the purpose of these private meetings?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - just making myself available to help people with analyzing the comments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:blue;font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Action Item: DM to confirm to IOT when he would be available to meet members of the IOT in Copenhagen.</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"> <b> ii. Upcoming calls</b><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">10 (plenary), 23 and 30 March<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"> 3. Comments – Substantive discussions:</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - we had provided a question to Sidley and they had confirmed there was a problem with the Timing issue. Since then MH has taken on looking at this issue. Over to MH for a discussion
on the issue.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss Arasteh - when we review the comments however the number of comments - does it justify changing our recommendation which were approved by the plenary.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - Note wrt to timing counsel has noted there is a timing so we have to consider this. the point is we consider the comments and respond to them - it does not mean that we have to agree
with them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Malcolm Hutty - My understanding is different from KA - the plenary only approved that we should put this out for public comment and not they approved the USP. So we need to go through these.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss Arasteh - This is the responsibility of approval by the CCWG-Accountability so how will we manage this?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - we are not a a sub-group of the CCWG-Accountability.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley: I agree w/Malcolm on this part<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"> a. Timing for claim filing</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Malcolm Hutty - (review of MH document on this).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss Arasteh - irrespective of if we agree to change this - I have never heard of a process that has no time limit like taxes - we should agree that the option of no limit is off the table.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Malcolm Hutty - there have been two comments that we put a moratorium on this and publish without a limit for now and re-evaluate later. If we were to go with that - how would we do this - one way
could be to remove any numerical time bar and say it is the responsibility of the Panel. Third option - no moratorium - we need a revised time bar that is consistent with the Bylaws which can be defended. (first option is not any time limit). So, the first
question is do we put this off or not.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Becky Burr - when you are talking about no time period - are we talking about repose or time to file? KA is correct that there is always a time limit like a statute of limitations.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Malcolm Hutty - (the Business Constituency text on moratorium) so more than just about the repose. If we accept this we can stop this now - if not we need to go on.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - I would be opposed to what the proposal of a moratorium - a time limit which typically ensues for courts or ... Can we cur through this to say there is a time bar but the panel could
rule that a claim could be brought beyond these time bars for reasons?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Malcolm Hutty - this would handle most of the concerns. But would not satisfy the bias question.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Becky Burr 2: I would be willing to dispense with an absolute repose, but very uncomfortable without a "statute of limitations" commencing from a knows or should have known standard<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Becky Burr 2: 6 months from the time you know or should know that you have/will be harmed<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Becky Burr 2: plus David's fundamental fairness caveat<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss Arasteh - not in favour of DM's proposal. I would suggest the we do the reverse of what is recommended by the Business Community - pick a time and promise to review within two years based
on actual issues.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Malcolm Hutty - KA proposal could be considered as being against the Bylaws in a legal opinion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Becky Burr 2: if we take this approach we need to consider how the CEP process affects/extends the filing deadline and greatly extends the timeline<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Becky Burr 2: please also my comments are made in my personal capacity and I am not speaking for the Board or ICANN<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - We are going to have to work these issues on the list. I would ask that MH summarize this for the list so we can kick off those discussions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss Arasteh - if we propose a new approach we will have to go back to public comment - do not like the idea of doing something completely new.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:blue;font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Action Item: MH to summarize discussions on Timing point and post to the list for further discussion.</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"> b. Parties – Joinder, etc</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - (presentation of DM paper).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss Arasteh - retroactive application of rules - there is no logic in this. This will bring instability to the process.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - KA this is specified in the Bylaws but I will mention your point in my summary.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:blue;font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">Action Item: DM to summarize discussions on Parties and Joinder points and post to the list for further discussion.</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;margin-top:7.5pt"><b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"> 4. AOB (none)</span></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial;font-size:10.5pt">David McAuley - reminder to everyone to keep an eye on the list and participate.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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