<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Greg, et al,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I appreciate your reference to the wider community. One of the more strongly debated aspects during the Transition was whether ICANN should become a membership organization. The Board pushed back against this idea because ICANN is responsible to the entire Internet community, not just the SOs and ACs or, more narrowly, the people who are active among the SOs and ACs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The IETF and other groups may not have a formal role in the governance structure, though the IETF in particular does have a liaison seat on the Board, but they are very much part of the community in the wider sense and hence <strike class="">important</strike> vital to all of us.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Steve</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On Mar 3, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Agree with Malcolm's points. I would suggest:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">ICANN Inc. to refer to the corporation including both the staff and the Board.</div><div class="">ICANN Organization to refer to the staff only (from the CEO down) but NOT the Board</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also agree that the Empowered Community is the entity. </div><div class="">EC SOAC Appointees (or Representatives) could be used for the individuals serving as the "body" of the EC at any given time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also, it's possible that John Curran was asking where the IETF and its participants would fit (i.e., are they within any "sphere" defined by a particular term?). In that sense, similar to Avri, I would say that the IETF and its participants are members of the ICANN Wider Community, individually and as IETF.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm mulling over whether there is something in the relationship between ICANN and IETF that makes that a less than perfect fit, but it's eluding my grasp....</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Greg</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="">On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 3:40 PM avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br class="gmail_msg">
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