<div dir="auto"><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 Mar 2017 04:21, "Greg Shatan" <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Agree with Malcolm's points. I would suggest:</div><div><br></div><div>ICANN Inc. to refer to the corporation including both the staff and the Board.</div><div>ICANN Organization to refer to the staff only (from the CEO down) but NOT the Board</div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">SO: This works as well, but it then mean that ICANN would imply the trinity (community, Board, staff)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>Also agree that the Empowered Community is the entity. </div><div>EC SOAC Appointees (or Representatives) could be used for the individuals serving as the "body" of the EC at any given time.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, it's possible that John Curran was asking where the IETF and its participants would fit (i.e., are they within any "sphere" defined by a particular term?). In that sense, similar to Avri, I would say that the IETF and its participants are members of the ICANN Wider Community, individually and as IETF.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm mulling over whether there is something in the relationship between ICANN and IETF that makes that a less than perfect fit, but it's eluding my grasp....</div><div><br></div><div>Greg</div><div class="elided-text"><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 3:40 PM avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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The only goal is to find standard words for ICANN and its trinity of<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
staff, board & community that can be used in the WS2 documents. So I am<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
not sure that the IETF, which has no role needing description in the WS2<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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I suppose the IETF, in at least some sense, as individuals and possibly<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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ICANN wider community. Perhaps, though, the absence of a PSO is a flaw<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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On 02-Mar-17 17:55, John Curran wrote:<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
> On 2 Mar 2017, at 1:52 PM, avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a><br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>> wrote:<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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>> We are sending this for discussion by the full group<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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> Avri -<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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> To aid in my understanding of the proposed terms, how would the<br class="m_499657923116617777gmail_msg">
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