<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Agree that Staff should be an a/k/a for Organization a la Goran.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The "whole ball of wax" has often been called (informally) the "ICANN ecosystem." Lori has proposed "ICANN System." I tend to prefer Ecosystem, even though there's nothing "ecological" about it. I note that dictionaries are now defining "ecological" as "(in general use) a complex network or interconnected system." Also, "system" sounds a bit industrial or at least more regularized and regulated, while "ecosystem" implies a certain organic aspect, which feels more appropriate to me in this instance.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></p><div><p style="text-indent:0in"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a name="UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter__GoBack"></a></span><b style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#002e62">Greg
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Nigel Roberts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nigel@channelisles.net" target="_blank">nigel@channelisles.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I don't care about ideology one way or t'other.<br>
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I care about comprehension and communication.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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On 07/03/17 17:17, avri doria wrote:<br>
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Hi,<br>
<br>
My normal inclination would have been to use Organization to mean all of<br>
us in the multistakeholder trinity (board, community and staff) as many<br>
have argued. But since Goran was seemingly set on his usage, I am<br>
worried about us building in a permanent confusion/ambiguity. Thus my<br>
search for another way to refer to it. It is also why I included Staff<br>
as an aka for ICANN Organization, trying to keep our standard usage as<br>
well as allow for the CEO's usage.<br>
<br>
Trying to be pragmatic and not ideological about this.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
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On 07-Mar-17 10:53, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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I think it makes sense to refer to the *legal entity* known as the<br>
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers as the<br>
"Corporation" (which is a term of US law (not just California law)<br>
used for non-profit incorporated entities (including public interest<br>
entities, charities, foundations, membership organizations, etc.)).<br>
<br>
Where we are referring to something other than the that legal entity,<br>
we should not use "corporation."<br>
<br>
I believe that Goran is using Organization to refer to the "staff"<br>
(CEO on down, both employees and those who may be engaged on an<br>
"independent contractor" or "consultant" basis), but not to the Board<br>
(which is also part of the Corporation), but we may want to clarify.<br>
<br>
I agree with Stephen Deerhake that we need to be mindful of existing<br>
terms and use them as our basis. The corollary to that is to avoid<br>
using any currently-used terms differently than their current use --<br>
so we should not contradict Goran's use of "organization" (once we<br>
confirm exactly how he uses it and what the "boundaries" of his<br>
definition are).<br>
<br>
Greg<br>
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On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Schweighofer Erich<br>
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It is good to work on terminology but it should be a common effort<br>
and reflecting real language use. ICANN-speak is already a strong<br>
"border" joining our community. Some ontology work can help.<br>
I would prefer organization - corporation is very much a term of<br>
California law not much used outside for a public purpose association.<br>
Best regards, Erich Schweighofer<br>
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>> Make it as simple as possible so that ICANN outsiders will<br>
understand it.<br>
<br>
>> Thanks to the 1000+ acronyms ICANN has created enough<br>
confusion not only among the "people in the street" who arer using<br>
domainnames but also among Internet policy makers who are not<br>
ICANN insiders but have to deal with implications conming fro<br>
domainnames.<br>
<br>
Yes - where possible I prefer we use terminology in common use in<br>
the wider community.<br>
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I would generally think that "organization" or "corporation"<br>
refers to Board, staff, and contractors.<br>
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