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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please see the notes, recordings, and transcript for the CCWG Accountability WS2 Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #23 here;
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/M6vRAw">https://community.icann.org/x/M6vRAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the notes may be found below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Brenda Brewer,</span></i></b><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Projects & Operations Assistant </span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant portions of the chat):<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">12 participants at start of call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Administrivia - Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - No apologies, no audio only, no update to SOIs. Short update on ICANN58 - we are under some time constraint. There
was a meeting facilitated by the GAC WG on HR where Anita Ramastray was present offered UN support for the work for the sub-group after a cursory presentation of the Ruggie principles. Propose we ask AR and the UN wg on business and HR to give their feed back
as part of the public consultation on our report (no objections) - will inform them of this. Any updates to agenda? (none).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: agreed to that approach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. First reading (of two) of the Considerations document prepared by the drafting team</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - Ask the drafting team to walk us through the most recent version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese - thank you for including my minority positions. description of meetings of the drafting team meetings in Copenhagen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: why not parse them out by paragraph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: We changed the first para as well - in accordance with the comments from the previous call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Maybe we should start with reading out the first para<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(review of draft document - Consideration - new para 1)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - If and where we should put in something about NO CHERRY PICKING. It may make sense to put it in this para.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - some text in Annex 6 of WS1 report seems to fit the bill. the last part of this could meet the requirements? "The
CCWG-Accountability also disagreed with any attempt to single out any specific Human Right (such as “freedom of expression”) in the proposed draft Bylaw text on the basis that Human Rights cannot be selectively mentioned, emphasized, or applied since they
are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Human Rights cannot be selectively mentioned, emphasized, or applied since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent,
and interrelated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey: Does the ICANN can choose approach leave it open to litigators saying you failed because you did not choose the instrument
that I prefer? I don't have a solution for this I am afraid - should we ask the lawyers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - do not think this is an issue by have no issue asking the lawyers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley - tend to agree with PT. The text quoted by NTO have a problem with the word APPLIED. Also the obligation to respect
is limited to those Internationally Recognized and per applicable law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: agree with David on the above. One could of course just state that "Human Rights are universal, indivisible, interdependent,
and interrelated."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - Too many proposed modifications need to be included before we can consider this as a first reading. Need a new draft
if we are doing this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">kavouss arasteh: pls provide concrete changes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): re Kavouss comment I believe it will be valuable to the group to reach a true full consensus. If not, we
have to point out a lack of consensus and address the disagreed positions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">kavouss arasteh: You started that on sunday ...consensus was reached??<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): IN this regard, I have personal experience (and so does Avri) working to full consensus on GNSO SCI (when
it existed.) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): yes Anne +++<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">kavouss arasteh: Greg, pls provide concrete proposal rather than describing the proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: +1 but perhaps lets discuss this when we get to that part of the text?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): @Kavouss - no I did not start this on Sunday. NOt at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">kavouss arasteh: Niels ,no. of intervention must be restricted not more than two<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - A few thoughts vs PT comment - Applicable Law thing is very helpful here - if something goes beyond applicable law its
going beyond the remit of the Bylaw. So not too worried about PT question. On cherry picking those instruments that fall within the Bylaw we cannot separate the elements in that instrument vs saying certain instruments apply or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(reading second para of Considerations)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey - edits proposed will be typed in chat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey: Change to "{However, with regards to the implementation of the Core Value, at least certain aspects of the UN Guiding
Principles for Business and Human Rights, could be considered as a useful guide in the process of applying the Human Rights Core Value."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - all proposals for change should be type in chat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Mathew Shears - As a member of the drafting team this discussion is useful. Proposed edits.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rDYyuXacrSYDtlSK5JqNQe7XOX2LbM86AzfDay8zpoE/edit"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rDYyuXacrSYDtlSK5JqNQe7XOX2LbM86AzfDay8zpoE/edit</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey: I am concerned that the community does not draw the conclusion that we are signalling that the how guiding principles
is potentially applicable - this I would think is a major mistake<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Sorry I did not understand the proposed edit by Matthew.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey: sorry I mean the whole guiding principles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I for one am finding these brief explanations of both concerns with and rationale for the proposed text useful
at this polishing stage, as well as the proposed edits to the text being made to chat or of course GDoc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey - Worried that we would say that the Principles as a whole could be used. Would prefer we state that certain aspects of
the principles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): this is good refinement IMO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I agree w/Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: caveat ++<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: why not. it is all the same, but sounds safer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): correct @Paul "aspects" are good guidance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: as it is something to be considered later in the light of circumstances at the time, indefiniate caveats really netierh
add nor substract anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: i am saying it doesn't matter at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese - comments from AD and SLO - importance to keep ASPECTS in the draft - and do not understand MS's proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - difficult to follow the proposals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Thanks Avri - I think I misread your comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: I retract my proposed edit - apologies<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: "However with regard to the implementation of the Core Value at least certain aspects of the UN Guiding Principles
for Business and Human Rights could be considered as a useful guide in the process of applying the Human Rights Core Value"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Avri Doria - Like PT's proposal - good sentence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr - Re AAS point - I always like ASPECTS and I have been conssistent on this. Agree with AD and it is a good sentence.
Think we are getting there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: do we need the "at least"!?? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: now we don't<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: We should take out the "at least"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: agree w Greg to take out 'at least'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: If we say 'at least' then we're saying it can never be all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: that would be in contention with the later sentence in which we say we don't analyze all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: sorry, if we remove 'at least'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I also agree that using adobe while live-drafting in GDoc is very hard to keep pace with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: We should make sure to bring the language back in to the Chat as Niels has done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey: I could live with deleting at least But will leave to others<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Agree with Cheryl and David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: However with regard to the implementation of the Core Value at least certain aspects of the UN Guiding Principles
for Business and Human Rights could be considered as a useful guide in the process of applying the Human Rights Core Value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Paul Twomey - GS, TT and MS are correct regarding AT LEAST.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - the AT LEAST causes waffling and could be considered and endorsement of the whole which would be beyond our consensus
-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: so it is a qualifying statement<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: That is a good point<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: could does not qualify - it might it might not - which is appropriate<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): that is a risk IMO @Tatiana as Paul notes it could be read to indicate a minimum requirement up to 100% (
shudder from me)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - have removed AT LEAST since this seems to be the consensus.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: However with regard to the implementation of the Core Value certain aspects of the UN Guiding Principles for Business
and Human Rights could be considered as a useful guide in the process of applying the Human Rights Core Value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: we need a medium Niels, thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - agree with removing AT LEAST.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">(last part of second paragraph of Consideration - as proposed by AAS).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese - comment made in the spirit of good clear governance. Request for Reconsideration and IRP will be avaialble for
the community - this is good - but when considering policies there should be less severe mechanisms which would be less expensive but could provide resolution.So since the more formal mechanisms have been mentionned we should make efforts to encourage alternate
mechanisms.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - If this is a CONSIDERATION then we should not use MUST.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever 2: These bodies must also consider Human Rights grievance procedures to be implemented such as Request for Reconsideration
and Independent Review Process as well as any less formal steps to be taken prior to the invoking of either of these more formal procedures.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: thanks Niels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Readily agree to replace "must" with "need" . Good suggestions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley - support both AAS and KA points - this would make sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - Laudable goal - this is not the time, place or group to do this. As such this sentence should be removed. This could
be a rabbit hole<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: remember to cross talk this to the ombudsman group if we go this way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): yes essential if we do decide @Avri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I am not comfortable with the words "must" and I agree with Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: I would not object to removal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: I agree with Greg - I am uncomfortable for the same reasons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">David McAuley: also did not understand "more formal procedures"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Erich Schweighofer: Agree with Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - seems there is support to remove this text. I will re-circulate a new draft this week.
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