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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please see the notes, recordings, and transcript for the CCWG Accountability WS2 Human Rights Subgroup Meeting #24 here; https://community.icann.org/x/3rnRAw <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A copy of the notes may be found below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (includes relevant text from chat):</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">15 participants at start of call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Administrivia - Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - Changes to SOI? (none). Any issues to agenda? (none)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Continued First Reading (of two) of the Considerations document</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - (continuing where we left off last week - <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rDYyuXacrSYDtlSK5JqNQe7XOX2LbM86AzfDay8zpoE/edit"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rDYyuXacrSYDtlSK5JqNQe7XOX2LbM86AzfDay8zpoE/edit</span></a> )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - (strating from The Policies and frameworks.....- reading text of proposal).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Para 1 comments? (none).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Para 2 comments?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): As per Niels, to be added at the end of this paragraph: "Human Rights should not be selectively analyzed since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - re INAPPROPRIATE suggest use another word - DOES NOT SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE HERE or NOT RELEVANT HERE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: "not relevant in the context of this FoI"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: or doesn’t not fit for the purpose of this FoE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Agree with Tatiana's suggestion on this<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I can live with this, agree with Kavouss to replace<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese - my suggestion above seems to go somewhere else?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - correct 2 paras down.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - re INNAPROPRIATE would prefer to simply add HERE. Re AAS suggestion - better to say it here? cannot just apply suggestion to HRIA - so should probably be here and not later or here
and later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">John Laprise: Agree w/Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Text to which Greg and Anne are referring:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Human Rights should not be selectively analyzed since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated. could agree to put it either or in both.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): is "analyzed" the right word?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): or should we use "considered"?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): "should not be considered in isolation, since they are..."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina - NOT APPROPRIATE -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: The subgroup notes that the word “commitment” used in this sentence is not appropriate of interpreting the Human Rights Core Value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: in the conext of interpreting HR CV<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - Do agree with GS word. Support JC proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: The subgroup notes that the word “commitment” used in this sentence is not quite appropriate for interpreting the Human Rights Core Value. Seems to be acceptable (no objections).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): full text for the non-cherry-picking: "Human Rights should not be considered in isolation since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - JC text could be added at the end.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese - fine with JC language. Also like TT languae before.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I am comfortable with no cherry picking clause. I would avoid proportionality as it's up to courts and it is a very complex issue - we have to get to the weeds and will never come
back. But am comfortable with cherry picking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - re JC text - need to say EACH or individual - best to try using the language in Annex 6 which is consensus language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Andrew Mack: individual human rights should not be considered separately<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Andrew Mack: ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Individual human rights has double meaning in this context<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): Good point Tatiana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: Might be considered as human rights of an individual<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Andrew Mack: yes Tatiana<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): "discrete" is so awful?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: "No specific human right shall be considered in isolation"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - that would work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - do not understand why we need specific. Disagree with this. Agree with PARTICULAR but not SPECIFIC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: Particular Human Rights should not be considered in isolation since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Andrew Mack: either seems ok to me<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - Next para "consistent with ICANN's existing processes and...."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - re gNSO portion just "allow" seems wrong should be " should or shall or must allow".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: expected to allow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: me likes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): it does already allow by the way<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese - re CLO because the PDP says it must already.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Markus Kummer - since the Bylaws say Allow lets keep it as is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - are we discussing the FOI or the PDP. If we use the PDP then let us quote and identify it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): We could say "The GNSO Policy Development Process" provides for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - Agree with AAS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I agree with Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: it should address Kavouss concern, too - no?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): yup<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - Agree with AAS suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Neils ten Oever - next para "consider how the interpretation and implementation....".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): One suggestion here to avoid the issue of "principles of proportionality" expressed in the drafting team is to do this:"HRIAs should avoid "cherry-picking" and should
honor the principle that Human Rights are indivisible and interdependent."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - cannot understand AAS proposal - why do we need this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: I like Anne's compromise. Honoring the invisibility and interdependency is ol<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese - could agree with KA - we could go back to the original language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): could we refer back to the language we agreed just before?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">tatiana Tropina - like AAS compromise - uncertain about the word "principal". will put my suggestion from the chat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: HRIA should consider not consider Human Rights in isolation since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: HRIA should not consider Human Rights in isolation since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): HRIA should be consistent with the principle that specific Human Rights should not be considered in isolation since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent,
and interrelated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: yes we can do that as well - Anne?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC): should not consider "particular" Human rights<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: HRIA should not consider particular Human Rights in isolation since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever: HRIAs should not consider particular Human Rights in isolation since they are universal, indivisible, interdependent, and interrelated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Tatiana Tropina: yes am very happy too. I can't believe my ears and eyes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Anne Aikam-Scalese - Drafting team note that there is a need to have a mechanism to consider how to address HR violations. Uncertain where it goes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan - where "policies and processes ICANN needs to implement..."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - lets take this to the drafting team and review on our call next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland): agree with Niels<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh - Re from GAC meeting - do not see all SOACs the same and not pick on GAc only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Niels ten Oever - thought it was fixed - if not lets discuss on list. KA please send to list. Ajourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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