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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Hello all,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #25 – 04 April 2017 will be available here:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> A copy of the agenda and notes may be found below. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif;color:#002060">Yvette Guigneaux<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif;color:#002060">(MSSI) Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives
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<p><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #25</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><u><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue">04 April 2017 @ 19:00 UTC</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red">This meeting will be recorded. Please mute your phone when not speaking by pressing *6 (star 6) *6 will also unmute.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Apologies: Paul Rosenzweig, Andreea Brambilla, Avri Doria</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><u><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Agenda:</span></u></b><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">1. Welcome</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2. Review of Agenda (2 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">3. Administration (1 minute)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Changes to SOIs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> b. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">4. Status of Questions to ICANN Legal </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">5. Review of decisions and action items from last call (2 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Decisions – none</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> b. Action Items:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> - Add Christopher Wilkinson to Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (GSS/Staff) (completed) </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> - Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> - Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">6. Update on Questionnaire (2 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. No new submissions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">7. Review of ICANN’s past and current litigation </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Pool.com (MW)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> b. Updated reviews (MW)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">8. Review of Working Method (30 minutes)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Current approach to work</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> b. Issues and Concerns</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">9. AOB</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">10. Next meeting 11 April 1300UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">11. Adjourned</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><u><span style="font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Notes (includes relevant text from chat):</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">1. Welcome</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg is running a few minutes late, the call will start momentarily.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2. Review of Agenda </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">No changes to agenda.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">3. Administration </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Changes to SOIs</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">No changes to SOIs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> b. Identify Audio Only and Phone Number Participants</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss Arasteh will be out of the AC room for the last 10 min of the call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Seun Ojedeji on audio.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">4. Status of Questions to ICANN Legal </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie - Sam is actively working on this request. Staff will follow-up this week.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">5. Review of decisions and action items from last call </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Decisions:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> none</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> b. Action Items:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> - Add Christopher Wilkinson to Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (GSS/Staff) (completed) </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> - Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> - Create email address/list for Questionnaire Review/Evaluation Team (Staff) (completed)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">6. Update on Questionnaire </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. No new submissions</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - It's not too late to promote the questionnaire or respond to the questionnaire.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">7. Review of ICANN’s past and current litigation </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">David McAuley - started working on namespace case.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie - sign up sheet can be found at: </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blue"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM_edit&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=tihW1uCnFwXm_sH9wNMai3y0xxhhePS6f2Cyln3oOJf49IevVWeqHegteH8rLf_J&m=aZFSjmO76ez5H4_Lfi6LSFiWuGaLRiUCz0fEKhHs-yQ&s=aLjy9ZSEJSpndPRvAmRQhzyX9oxvtGwMuINsRMmN0_c&e=" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oo9oDJuuxFz1UUNaBfHeor7HPhJ5XcRHFTq3hjRltOM/edit[docs.google.com]</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Pool.com (MW)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Mathieu Weill (MW) presented review of pool.com litigation. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - Seun had some comments on the mailing list earlier today, but is not connected right now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">David McAuley - I take it this case was not appealed?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">MW - no, it was dropped.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - was it dropped because the parties settled?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">MW - I think there was a settlement, but that's my interpretation, there is no mention of that in the case.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss - was the case dropped by the court? what would have happened if it had not been dropped?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">MW - Ottawa is a city in Ontario, in Canada. I cannot say what would have happened if the case had not been dropped. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - the plaintiff must have dropped it, the court would have dismissed it, court cannot drop it, only the plaintiff can. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">David - I believe this subject is part of the questions that were sent to ICANN Legal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss - I hope we can find a case outside of the US where the case was not dropped.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - that was the only case that was outside of the US, all others listed are in the US.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">MW - confirming what Greg indicated. That in itself is an interesting finding.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss - could we look into cases where the plaintiff is a non US? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Mathieu Weill: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Non US Plaintiff are useful to look at indeed. Such as DitAfrica ? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss - do we have cases in countries where ICANN doesn't have offices?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - I believe we should get answer to that question from ICANN Legal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> b. Updated reviews (MW)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">8. Review of Working Method </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> a. Current approach to work</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kavouss - the people who raise the concerns that our working methods are not taking us anywhere should attend the calls so we can discuss. We also need answers from ICANN Legal in order to move the work forward.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">DM - looking at past litigations, and the questionnaire, all this seems to be very sensible and legitimate. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Seun - It's not necessarily a complete exercise that we are doing. We are only looking at past experiences. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">MW - this conversation highlights the need to clarify the various tracks of work that we are currently working on. Past litigations is one, questions to ICANN Legal is another, and the questionnaire is a 3rd. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We have been requested to</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> provide an update to the plenary of what we are currently working on, and what the next steps will be.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - I don't think that any of the work that we are doing is intended to create the impression that we fill time. We still need to clarify the mandate of the group, but we have taken steps to find the facts. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Our working method is to look for issues, and then to find remedies.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Seun - yes, but for now we have only been looking for issues in the past, we have not looked into potential issues in the future.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Mathieu Weill: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Potential issues in the future is a definition of Risks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - looking for potential issues is not part of our mandate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - I will prepare a status of where we are, and will submit it to the mailing list.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">MW - maybe we could invite the persons who commented on the mailing list to join us in the next subgroup call.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Greg - good suggestion, let's do that. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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