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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px;">Dear Greg,</div>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px;">I'm afraid I'll have to challenge your suggestion that two full meetings were devoted to considering the terms of the decision supposedly arrived at in the very last minutes of yesterday's call. We moved from debating a proposal
of yours to have a question you drafted submitted to the plenary, then past that question to a table where different approaches were gathered, and then to another table. <span style="font-size: 10pt;">At no point did we really consider the different approaches
nor their substance, nor did you as rapporteur ensure that objections or support for the different approaches were tested and noted. Then, it was only in the very last minutes of yesterday's call that the formulation suggested by Thomas first appeared, who
seemed to argue it was in line with Avri's suggestion in the previous meeting, and, because of that, that it would have garnered some support. Now, we all saw that the formulation does not reflect what Avri really said, so not even with a </span>stretch<span style="font-size: 10pt;"> of
imagination it is ac</span>curate<span style="font-size: 10pt;"> to affirm that the decision was arrived at after discussion. The expedite (not to say expedient) manner in which that proposal was presented and assumed to reflect consensus is quite worrying.</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">In the interest of not having a "minority" statement that would later reveal to be a "majority" statement, I assume the best course of action would be to subject </span><span style="font-size: 13.3333px;">to
the scrutiny of the Subgroup </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">what was raised and supposedly decided during the last minutes of yesterday's call, in a transparent way, with clear deadlines for reactions, and only then validate any decision.</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Best,</span></div>
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<div style="font-size: 13.3333px;"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thiago</span></div>
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<div id="divRpF500366" style="direction: ltr;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>De:</b> ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org [ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org] em nome de Greg Shatan [gregshatanipc@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Enviado:</b> quinta-feira, 15 de junho de 2017 18:27<br>
<b>Para:</b> ws2-jurisdiction<br>
<b>Assunto:</b> [Ws2-jurisdiction] Fwd: [CCWG-ACCT] Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Jurisdiction Subgroup Members,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As noted below, after two full meetings devoted to the topic, the Subgroup arrived at a decision (excerpted verbatim from the transcript in the email below). For convenience, here it is again:</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:14.6667px">We have concluded that the Jurisdiction sub-group will take California jurisdiction as a base line for all its recommendations,
and that the sub-team not pursue recommendations to change ICANN's jurisdiction of incorporation, location of headquarters or seek immunity for ICANN. With this decision we are recognizing that there is no possibility that there would be consensus for an
immunity based concept or a change of place of incorporation. As such I would establish in the minutes of this call that we focus on the solution that gets most traction. Recognizing that this does not eliminate, as I think Avri said during last week's call,
that we can discuss all issues that might arise during the deliberations. But that we actually focus on the status quo being California law and place of incorporation. and work on solutions that are founded on this.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Opposition was noted from four participants on the call (including one who left before the end, but had made his position clear.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This decision will now be referred to the Plenary, consistent with CCWG procedures. <br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">With this, I believe that it is imperative that we return to and focus on identifying potential issues, deciding whether these are in fact issues within our remit, discussing those issues and
making recommendations for resolving those issues.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div>
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From: <b class="gmail_sendername">MSSI Secretariat</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mssi-secretariat@icann.org" target="_blank">mssi-secretariat@icann.org</a>></span><br>
Date: Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:46 PM<br>
Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Caption Notes-Recordings-Transcript links for Jurisdiction Meeting #35 - 14 June 2017<br>
To: CCWG Accountability <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-communit<wbr>y@icann.org</a>><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org" target="_blank">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hello all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The caption notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2 Jurisdiction Subgroup Meeting #35– 14 June 2017 will be available here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/GSDwAw" target="_blank">https://community.ican<wbr>n.org/x/GSDwAw</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">A copy of the action items and raw caption notes may be found below. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">With kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Brenda Brewer,</span></i></b><i><span style="font-size:11pt"> Projects & Operations Assistant </span></i><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Multistakeholder Strategy & Strategic Initiatives (MSSI)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><img id="gmail-m_-7229365834984630828m_822270039893161403m_-2178573265838811715Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image001.png@01D2E5D5.73E41D50" height="61" width="61" border="0"></span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Skype: brenda.brewer.icann<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="tel:(310)%20745-1107" value="+13107451107" target="_blank">1-310-745-1107</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">Raw Captioning Notes<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11pt">Please note that these are the unofficial transcript. Official transcript will be posted 2-3 days after the call</span></i><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdicton_0614ICANN1300UTC.RTF?version=1&modificationDate=1497462625000&api=v2" target="_blank">Word Doc</a><u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66068505/Jurisdiction_0614ICANN1300UTC.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1497462637000&api=v2" target="_blank">PDF</a><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">Decisions:<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thomas Rickert for the CCWG-Accountability Co-Chairs, We have concluded that the Jurisdiction sub-group will take Californian jurisdiction as a base line for all its recommendations,
and that the sub-team not pursue recommendations to change ICANN's jurisdiction of incorporation, location of headquarters or seek immunity for ICANN. With this decision we are recognizing that there is no possibility that there would be consensus for an
immunity based concept or a change of place of incorporation. As such I would establish in the minutes of this call that we focus on the solution that gets most traction. Recognizing that this does not eliminate, as I think Avri said during last week's call,
that we can discuss all issues that might arise during the deliberations. But that we actually focus on the status quo being Californian law and place of incorporation. and work on solutions that are founded on this.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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