<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Greg,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">I agree with your observations, especially on the work done by this working group and I have ample respect for the process and all the participants. At the same time, I stand by my comment, though late, that Article 1 requires attention, if not immediately, in course of time. In the meantime, ICANN could remain open to the idea that its mission ought not to be so restricted.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Thank you.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Workstream 1 spent a huge amount of time on ICANN's Mission, Commitments and Core Values. What we now have is result of many many discussions about the scope of ICANN's Mission. Whether or not you agree with all the elements (and I don't), if you respect the process (imperfect though it may be), you need to respect the result. Discussions of expanding Article 1 are tantamount to asking for another bite at the apple within the same Working Group.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Sivasubramanian M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Expand Article 1 ????</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-5575694784969474530h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Greg Shatan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This is a distinction without a difference. ICANN's Mission is set forth in Article 1 of the Bylaws. Thus, if ICANN exceeds its Mission, it contravenes its Bylaws.</div><span class="m_-5575694784969474530m_4346176587290005006HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></font></span></div><div class="m_-5575694784969474530m_4346176587290005006HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5575694784969474530m_4346176587290005006h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Sivasubramanian M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Dear Malcolm</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Thank you for explaining the context. But I was actually trying to take this reference to mission and bylaws somewhat beyond the immediate context. ICANN's mission at a Global entity operating in Global Public Interest ought not to be straight-jacketed. If limited, ICANN would be severely restrained from doing what it takes to care for the DNS. Section 4.3 needs an amendment, even if it is late into the work stream to make this suggestion, as IRP ought not to be restrained by this limited view of ICANN's mission. The task before the IRP is to examine if ICANN CONTRAVENED its bylaws and not if it EXCEEDED its mission. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#333333">Sivasubramanian M</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-5575694784969474530m_4346176587290005006m_-8314266535911144063h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Malcolm Hutty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 25/06/2017 08:26, Sivasubramanian M wrote:<br>
> Hello<br>
><br>
> Unless there are unspoken and unseen merits, I have some concerns on<br>
> some aspects of the summary:<br>
><br>
> 1. The idea of constraining ICANN to its bylaws figures very<br>
> prominently in the summary, defined as one of the pillars, not really a<br>
> supportive pillar, but sort of a not so well thought of negative<br>
> command, " Don't allow ICANN to exceed its mission"<br>
<br>
</span>David was attempting to summarise a very long and extremely complex<br>
instrument, which was negotiated in detail as part of WS1/transition<br>
negotiations.<br>
<br>
I believe David may have been referring in the "pillars" to section 4.3<br>
(a) of the bylaws which sets out the "purposes of the IRP".<br>
<br>
This says, in part,<br>
<br>
"The IRP is intended to hear and resolve Disputes for the following<br>
purposes ("Purposes of the IRP"):<br>
<br>
(i) Ensure that ICANN does not exceed the scope of its Mission and<br>
otherwise complies with its Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws.<br>
<br>
[....continues]"<br>
<br>
Moreover, we need to remember that the IRP is only available under<br>
specific circumstances. Essentially (and this may be a slight<br>
oversimplification), to use the IRP you have to be making a claim that<br>
ICANN breached its own bylaws, not merely that you would have preferred<br>
it acted differently. The extent of the Mission (which is broad, but<br>
clearly limited) and the instruction to act only within the scope of<br>
that Mission, are both set out in the bylaws. So the above extract<br>
should be understood in that context.<br>
<br>
Does that provide sufficient context to David's remarks?<br>
<br>
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