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<p><font face="Verdana">All</font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana">Since I will not be able to attend today f2f
meeting I wanted to share some points.</font></p>
<p>The main issue for the meeting, in my understanding, is to deal
with the sudden decision of the CWCG chair about what the sub
group should and should not do. It is clear that this decision has
been found faulty and criticised by majority of participants in
the e-discussions here, even those who otherwise may agree with
not pursuing the course that the Chair unilaterally forbid us from
taking. The decision is simply procedurally wrong, and must be
dumped... Among other things, it begun with the "out of scope"
discussion and suddenly became "unlikely to find consensus"
decision -- which are two very different things. Almost everything
is wrong with the manner in which the decision was imposed on the
group. <br>
</p>
<p>It is evident that there was a premeditated attempt - I dont know
among or at the behest of whom - to simply gag the jurisdiction
discussion, which happens to be one of the most important topics
since the start of the transition process, and even much before..
It appears that it was triggered from some nervousness arising out
of the responses to the questionnaire that was sent to the public,
where many response spoke of need for clear institutional changes
to the jurisdictional status quo. The conspiratorial basis of this
decision is also highlighted by how in a single sweep not only the
discussions on possible changes to the ICANN incorporation but the
much more "easier to deal with" subject of tailored immunities for
ICANN was banned to be discussed any further. <br>
</p>
<p>There has been simply no grounds for this....In any case, it was
the sub group chair's decision that we will come to "remedies" or
institutional changes only after having listed out "issues" that
need to be addressed. The sudden parachuting in of the CCWG
chair's decision therefore looks even more problematic, and smells
of something quite not right going on behind the curtains. <br>
</p>
<p>Neither there was enough ground-work done towards reaching this
decision that goes to the very heart of the sub group's work. If
there is any claims of due process in ICANN, we need to simply
strike down the decision, and start anew with whatever concerns
there may be that precipitated this crisis. <br>
</p>
<p>The Chair must explain why he made this problematic intervention,
and whether sub group chair had submitted a report that the sub
group's work is not able to be pursued. Strangely, the sub group
chair has been presenting this as entirely the CCWG chair's
decision. What did CCWG learn, from where, and what was his chain
of reasoning to make this decision? Did he hold any closed group
or individual consultations? We must be told what really happened.</p>
<p>Subsequent to the strong reactions to the decision, CCWG chair
must withdraw it, or the CCWG assembly should force it to be
withdrawn. It is wrong in process, and it cannot now be attempted
to be corrected post-facto by admitting some substantive changes.
The process itself is sacrosanct, and must be upheld, independent
of the nature of substantive views in the group. <br>
</p>
<p>I suspect that the decision will be attempted to made palatable
by making marginal concessions on it, but that I insist is not the
point. Upholding due process, and resisting abuse of process and
power must be our first and main priority today.</p>
<p>parminder</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 20 June 2017 12:46 AM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Sorry
if I missed the boat, Greg, but I did review the emails on
the list fairly extensively before commenting, and it sure
looked like we were having a scope debate rather than a
substantive debate. It is possible that the initial framing
as a scope debate triggered a lot of responses and emotions
that the overall dialogue never got beyond. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">One
of the problems with framing it as scope is that it lets
those who want to argue for a change in the
jurisdiction/place of incorporation off the hook. They can
make perfectly reasonable and convincing arguments that it
is not out of scope, even if they are unable to demonstrate
a clearly superior alternative to California law that is
compatible with the WS1 accountability mechanisms. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Let’s
get out of that rut.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
think the subgroup has done more extensive quality work than
people who are watching it day to day realize. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
have clarified the set of problems we face with the layer
model;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
have reviewed most of the relevant court cases (still
ongoing);<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
have identified specific problems with U.S. jurisdiction
(OFAC and similar US-imposed sanctions);<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
have discussed the US Immunities Act, and with one or two
exceptions agreed that it would not be a good path to take<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We
have discovered that those who most want to move it out of
California cannot name or identify a specific, superior
location/jurisdiction, but must instead appeal to
“international jurisdiction,” which means a new
international treaty and new organizational arrangement that
would require re-doing the entire transition process. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Let’s
reach consensus on two simple points: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There
ARE problems of accountability caused by U.S. jurisdiction,
notably around OFAC sanctions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There
is no reasonable prospect of improvement to come from
uprooting ICANN, completely changing its legal status and
moving to an unknown and as yet undeveloped alternative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Greg Shatan [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 19, 2017 12:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Laprise <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com"><jlaprise@gmail.com></a>;
Mueller, Milton L <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"><milton@gatech.edu></a>;
ws2-jurisdiction <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"><ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Question
Presented<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Milton,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I actually agree with you, up to a
point. The slide you refer to was a strawman and a
jumping-off point for discussion. By the second call,
last week, we had moved away from that slide and from
discussing the issue in terms of scope. The CCWG
Co-Chairs instead framed the issue around the question
"what will get sufficient traction in the group" vs.
subjects that will not get sufficient traction, and
thus would not lead to a consensus recommendation. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, I don't think this was an
instance of anyone preempting a discussion, much less
dishonestly. As noted, no issues have been foreclosed
by the Co-Chair's decision, which is aligned with your
point #2 -- the "lack of traction" for recommending
changes to ICANN's corporate status. I hope that
everyone is interested in substantive debate, and I
hope to see plenty of it in this group in the coming
weeks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 10:41 AM
John Laprise <<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366">Best
regards, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366">John
Laprise, Ph.D.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366">Principal
Consultant</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><a
href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#0563C1">http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#993366"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
[mailto:</span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mueller, Milton L<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 19, 2017 9:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan <</span><a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
ws2-jurisdiction <</span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">acct-staff@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
Question Presented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please
pardon my late intervention. We were presented
with this question:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p
class="m-3431946777163345412m8382435201821088497default"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="color:#1F487C">Question: Is
considering or recommending changes to
ICANN's status as a not-for-profit
California corporation within the scope of
the Subgroup?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Two
things seem obvious to me:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#1F497D;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo5"> <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
issue IS within the intended scope of the
subgroup, and </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
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</div>
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<div>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:#1F497D;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5
level1 lfo8"> <span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There
is overwhelming consensus AGAINST
recommending changes to ICANN’s status as a
nonprofit California public benefit
corporation. </span><o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It
seems to me that most of the debate is
confusing issue #1 with issue #2. The entire
discussion has not developed any real
alternative, much less a clearly superior one,
to California jurisdiction. The identified
problems with US jurisdiction (mainly OFAC)
can be addressed without moving ICANN’s place
of incorporation. So let’s stop trying to
dishonestly pre-empt resolution of the
jurisdiction issue by ruling certain
discussions “out of scope.” Let’s resolve it
honestly by developing and acknowledging
consensus around the fact that other than the
meaningless mirage of “international
jurisdiction” there is no better framework
within which to work than California law. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
debate about scope, in other words, is a
diversion from the substantive issue, and I
wish the chairs and the Americans in the
subgroup would stop trying to pre-empt
substantive debate with scope debate. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
will not be in Johannesburg so I hope people
who agree with me can take this perspective
into the f2f meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr.
Milton L. Mueller</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor,
School of Public Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia
Institute of Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> [</span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:29
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ws2-jurisdiction <</span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">acct-staff@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ws2-jurisdiction]
Question Presented</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Please see attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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