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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 27 June 2017 06:50 PM,
parminder wrote:<br>
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<p>"Held a session on the Jurisdiction sub-group’s recent
discussions regarding the possibility of<br>
changing the location of ICANN’s headquarters or creating a
blanket immunity for ICANN.</p>
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In fact, this is not a true statement. I am aware of no discussions
in the jurisdiction sub group about "creating a blanket immunity for
ICANN". And since the cause for action is untrue and mis-
represented, the subsequent action banning such a discussion should
not legitimately hold. If my statement is wrong, I am happy to be
pointed to such a discussion in the sub group. Otherwise, please
strike out this part of the decision. Not that I am interested in a
blanket immunity, but I do not like inappropriate "decisions".
Thanks. <br>
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parminder<br>
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<p> In this<br>
session it was confirmed that it was unlikely there would be
consensus in the CCWG for any<br>
recommendation that involved changing ICANN’s headquarters’
location or jurisdiction of<br>
incorporation or creating a blanket immunity for ICANN. As such,
the sub-group’s work shall<br>
focus on recommending accountability improvements that are
issue-driven remedies which<br>
build upon ICANN’s status as a non-for-profit organization
headquartered in California."</p>
<p>Is this now a CCWG decision, or still an interposition by its
chairs?</p>
<p>If the former, is there a process for that which got followed
at the f2f meeting? I ask because I really dont know much about
the processes being followed here. My apologies for that. Other
than the CCWG and sub groups chairs who appeared completely
unflappable in face of numerous questions, doubts and criticisms
raised by those present, and largely refused to engage with
them, from my limited process knowledge, I am unable to see how
it could be said that the CCWG approved this "decision". Just
want to be sure.<br>
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<p>Apart from the the process, I find problems with the substance
of the "decision". There were certainly very significant push
back on the "immunity" part of the "decision", in the sub-group
discussions as well as at the f2f meeting, with whatever
qualifications the term is included in the "decision". The
meaning and manner of such possible qualifications and
modulations of the "concept of immunity" themselves are an issue
to be discussed and decided by the group.... By introducing some
arbitrary, and certainly premature, terms in this regard, any
possible discussion on the subject is greatly compromised. Some
people will keep reading different meanings in this decision
about what kinds of immunity based solutions can or cannot be
discussed, which will ruin the possibility of a useful, open
discussion on the subject. <br>
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<p>In face of the considerable push back in the sub group, CCWG
chair "went on the record" (his words) in the sub group elist to
say that he did not meant to exclude discussions on "partial or
relative" immunity. In the circumstances, I understand by this
new term "blanket immunity" just such immunity that would
disable ICANN from remaining a non-for-profit registered in
California.</p>
<p>Parminder</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 27 June 2017 05:28 PM,
Bernard Turcotte wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">All,</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Co-Chair
statement following the 25 June Face to Face meeting
attached.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Bernard
Turcotte</div>
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Support to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2</div>
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