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<div>Clever turn o phrase, Avri! But it’s just not meaningful to recommend that AC/SO’s simply “consider” a Good Practice. If that’s all we are recommending, why bother with recommended practices at all.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org">avri@apc.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, September 8, 2017 at 4:10 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CCWG-ACCT] SOAC-Accountability question, for reply by 11-Sep-2017<br>
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<div>Hi,</div>
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<div>Yes, one implements a program. A group considering and recording the</div>
<div>consideration is an action/activity that would need to be implemented.</div>
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<div>The suggestion here is that formal consideration by a group of term</div>
<div>limits is a good practice.</div>
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<div>It is not a question of considering implementation, it is about</div>
<div>implementing consideration.</div>
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<div>Avri</div>
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<div>On 08-Sep-17 15:46, Steve DelBianco wrote:</div>
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<div>Avri — we are recommending Good Practices that the group believes are</div>
<div>worth implementing (if applicable). </div>
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<div>None of the other 28 Good Practices suggest to “consider” something to</div>
<div>do. All are suggestive that implementation is a good practice, and</div>
<div>all our recommendations imply that AC/SO/Groups should therefore</div>
<div>“consider" implementation. </div>
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<div>Steve</div>
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<div>From: <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org">accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org</a></div>
<div><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org>">mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@icann.org></a>> on behalf</div>
<div>of avri doria <<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org">avri@apc.org</a> <<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org>">mailto:avri@apc.org></a>></div>
<div>Date: Friday, September 8, 2017 at 3:32 PM</div>
<div>To: "<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></div>
<div><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org>">mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org></a>"</div>
<div><<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a></div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] SOAC-Accountability question, for reply by</div>
<div>11-Sep-2017</div>
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<div>My understanding was that the statement being discussed was whether they</div>
<div>should consider term limits.</div>
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<div>I think this is an important difference. And I think that strengthening</div>
<div>the statement into something that is easier to disagree with, is</div>
<div>unfortunate.</div>
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<div>I think the act of considering the need for term limits is all that is</div>
<div>required. You are right, it is not best for all. But considering</div>
<div>whether to impose them or not is a good practice as it gives those who</div>
<div>hold positions without term limits who may see no reason for term</div>
<div>limits, to be challenged by those out of power who may think they are</div>
<div>needed. At this point there is no recommendation that all SOAC/AG/C</div>
<div>consider term limits so those who want them may be flat out of luck.</div>
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<div>I suggest that we avoid change the wording of the recommendation and</div>
<div>that we support the recommendation that all entities consider whether</div>
<div>they need term limits or not.</div>
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<div>I personally believe that yes, we should add the consideration of terms</div>
<div>limits as a good practice.</div>
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<div>avri</div>
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<div>On 08-Sep-17 09:27, Steve DelBianco wrote:</div>
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<div> As discussed on our SOAC team call yesterday, we are nearly finished</div>
<div> with our public comment responses</div>
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<div> and updated recommendation</div>
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<div> to the CCWG. </div>
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<div> One remaining question is whether to add an additional Good Practice</div>
<div> to the 28 we already have in our report.</div>
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<div> The purpose of this email is to hear from all members of</div>
<div> SOAC-Accountability as to whether our report should include this new</div>
<div> proposed Good Practice:</div>
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<div> *An AC/SO/Group that elects its officers should impose term</div>
<div> limits. *</div>
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<div> Note that this proposed Good Practice would _only_ apply to</div>
<div> AC/SO/Groups that have elections. And as with all of our Good</div>
<div> Practices, we describe applicability in our Executive Summary:</div>
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<div> In Track 1 we recommend 29 Good Practices that each SO/AC/Group</div>
<div> should implement, to the extent these practices are</div>
<div> applicable and</div>
<div> an improvement over present practices. We do not recommend that</div>
<div> implementation of these practices be required. Nor do we</div>
<div> recommend</div>
<div> any changes to the ICANN bylaws. We do recommend that</div>
<div> Operational</div>
<div> Standards for periodic Organizational Reviews conducted by ICANN</div>
<div> could include an assessment of Good Practices implementation in</div>
<div> the AC/SO subject to the review. </div>
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<div> And we include this caveat on page 8:</div>
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<div> "AC/SO/Groups are only expected to implement Good Practices to</div>
<div> the extent that these practices are applicable and an improvement</div>
<div> over present practices, in the view of AC/SO/Group participants.</div>
<div> Again, we do not recommend that implementation of these</div>
<div> practices</div>
<div> be required by AC/SO/Groups.”</div>
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<div> Please reply to all by 11-Sep with your view on whether we should add</div>
<div> Term Limits as a Good Practice.</div>
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