<div dir="auto">Interesting comments. A few comments of mine inline:<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 19, 2017 4:54 PM, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">:<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1. I don't think we can solve the problem of independence by giving the ombudspersons a 5 year contract. I have provided my reasons before. If by 5 years fixed contract you mean the Ombuds office as an entity should be given a fixed term contract that is fine. But ombudspersons getting fixed five-year contract won't solve the problem.</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">SO: Sorry do you mind stating what the problem is here? However I see some benefit with giving the ombudsperson job guarantee. Where I come from there is some level of job security for confirmed govt staff in that you can just get dismissed by any head of the govt org without proper hearing. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Perhaps there can be an exception for the ombudsperson that the decision to terminate his/her contract will include the community and not just left to ICANN HR/management alone.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2. Ombuds has to be an office and not a person. At the moment it's a person. I think to maintain the independence of the office, we need to have preferably an external organization that provides ombuds services and its revenue is not only dependent on ICANN. That way we can ensure independence. </div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">SO: Fine with the making it an office, but I am not sure we will be solving all independence issues by giving the role to an external organization. It may indeed create so much more problem than ever imagine(it's such a small world). I actually think a path of external in this context might further create mis-trust as I don't see how that guarantees trust unless we are saying that the external organization will also be paid by an external body and not by ICANN. Even that will only isn't enough to guarantee independence.</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">3. Under no circumstances, the ombudspersons should socialize and befriend community members ( this is a very obvious independence element, have you ever encountered the decision maker of your case at a social event talking and smiling at the party you filed a complaint against? It is written in first year legal text books that independence is very much affected by social encounters and interactions)</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">SO: Okay I think this is way too much. What exactly are we trying to turn that person holding the office into? A ghost or something like that ;-) If he can't socialize with the community how does he/she know/learn about the community? Ofcourse it's fine to expect some level of decorum from such person just like one expects of ICANN leaders like the Board, SO/AC leaders et all.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't think the current recommendations are sufficient enough to expand the ombuds office mandate. But I do need written reasons for not considering the points I have made. It is simply not enough that the WS2 group on Ombuds did not agree with my comments.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Please let me know what the process would be to file a dissent or if we can discuss it during the plenary.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Farzaneh</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-414863335428807244gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="elided-text">On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Sebicann Bachollet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sebicann@bachollet.fr" target="_blank">sebicann@bachollet.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="elided-text"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">19th
September 2017,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">Dear
Co-Chairs,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">The
WS2 Sub-Group on ICANN Ombuds Office (IOO) is very pleased to present
to the plenary of the CCWG on ICANN Accountability WS2 our Report titled ‘CCWG-Accountability-WS<wbr>2-Ombudsman-DrafRecommendation<wbr>sV2.2’
for first reading, discussion, review, comments and consideration. It was finalized,
on Monday 18<sup>th</sup> of September 2017 at the 30<sup>th</sup> meeting of
the IOO Sub-Group.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">As IOO Sub
Group Rapporteur I will be pleased to answer any questions and discuss any
comments from our CCWG.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">I would like
to take this opportunity to thanks the participants of our IOO Sub-group and
Bernard for his support to finalize the attached documents.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">All the best</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">IOO Sub
Group Rapporteur,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Arial">Sebastien
Bachollet</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Attached:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">IOO first Report<u></u><u></u></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">External evaluator’s final report<u></u><u></u></span></li>
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