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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 16 October 2017 11:18 PM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">By
the way, after additional review of these “dissenting”
materials I have come up with an interesting finding: none
of them actually disagree with the recommendations we did
come up with, and neither of them disputes that there is
consensus for the actual recommendations. They simply say
that the recommendations are not enough for them.
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This is a wrong reading of what is a consensus. Consensus relates to
a whole set of recs, and the whole report, not parts of it. One may
not otherwise disagree, for instance, with a particular motherhood
and apple pie statement (they are meant not be disagreed with), but
disagree with it constituting the whole of recs or the report of a
group. That would still be an absence of consensus for that
statement to be the rec of that group. (Those who are involved with
the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation will know how its final
stages to develop a report suffers from a similar dilemma.)<br>
<br>
A report is as significant in terms of what it does not say as what
it says...... If there is no consensus on changing the status quo,
there isnt one on keeping it either. And the dissonance is so very
significant that some members would want to dissociate from some
weak formulations that have been compiled as agreed outcomes of the
group, which simply do not address key issues of the mandate given
to the group. <br>
<br>
Let me try to explain it another way. Lets say that there has been a
great humanitarian crisis owing to human/ political reasons and a
committee is formed to report on its facts and the required action
by the world community. If some members try to develop a report that
greatly under-reports the nature and extent of the calamity (as is
done in this jurisdiction sub group's report regarding facts of the
many very significant problems about continued US jurisdiction over
a key global governance function) and comes up with some very weak
mitigating measures, like saying that for the next many weeks free
water supplies should to maintained for the whole area, others
members may dissent with that report, without necessarily being
against the "water supply" part.... They are apt to disassociate
from and condemn the whole report, doing which would certainly be a
meaningful exercise, in putting emphasis on what the committee was
abdicating from rather than what it was recommending. Similar is the
situation with our dissent notes with respect to the jurisdiction
sub-group's report..<br>
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parminder <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So
what the dissent is about, really, is that they could not
achieve consensus on their own position regarding a much
broader take on jurisdiction and immunity. And yet we all
know that their position could never achieve consensus. So
their disputing the consensus basis of this report amounts
to a block what most of us could agree on
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 16, 2017 3:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br"><thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gac@icann.org">gac@icann.org</a>; GAC
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gac@gac.icann.org"><gac@gac.icann.org></a>; ws2-jurisdiction
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"><ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction
Subgroup. Draft Report. Statement of Brazil. Annex. To
be annexed to the draft report. For consideration by
the CCWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Dear
All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Enclosed
is the complete document of my dissenting opinion, which
now includes part 2 as well (with some modifications in
part 1) as a single document. Please ignore the earlier
submitted document.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
is for CCWG's consideration. Also for jurisdiction
sub-group, assuming that it continues to function.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">parminder
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sunday 15 October 2017 11:51 PM,
parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Dear
All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
fully support the excellent "statement of Brazil", which
makes the required point very well. The sub-group should
consider the draft recommendations made in the
statement. In default, the CCWG should directly consider
them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">My
own dissenting opinion is enclosed. It is in two parts,
part 1 is about what was the group's mandate to do but
it failed to do. This part first expresses support to
Brazil's statement, and then makes additional points,
detailing how there has been a miscarriage of due
process, and thus justifying why Brazil's draft recs
must be considered, in the required elaborate manner.
Part one is enclosed herewith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Part
two will present some comments on and disagreements
with regard to the two sets of draft recs that have been
submitted on the sub-group's behalf. I am still to write
them, so allow me to submit them in the next 12 hours,
which will still be the weekend in some parts of the
world, and thus within the deadline I hope.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards, parminder </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sunday 15 October 2017 06:43 AM,
Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
behalf of the Brazilian Government, I hereby
submit the "Statement of Brazil" and its annex,
which are to be annexed to the draft report of
the jurisdiction subgroup, submitted on 11
October 2017, for consideration by the CCWG
plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> [</span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">] em
nome de Greg Shatan [</span><a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]<br>
<b>Enviado:</b> quinta-feira, 12 de outubro de
2017 23:29<br>
<b>Para:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><span
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<b>Cc:</b> </span><a
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">acct-staff@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">;
ws2-jurisdiction<br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
Jurisdiction Subgroup Draft Report for
CCWG-Accountability Plenary Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">One
of the Subgroup members pointed out a minor
editing error in the document. On pages
13-14, there were several mentions of the
RAA, when in fact the language quoted and
discussed was from the </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN">ICANN Terms and Conditions for
Registrar Accreditation Application. (The
reference was correct in the Executive
Summary.) This has now been fixed in the
attached.</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at
10:10 PM, Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Some
minor formatting errors crept into the
Report when it was converted from Word
to PDF. A new PDF of the report is
attached. I've checked each page to
confirm that the formatting errors
were resolved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank
you to Jorge Cancio for catching this
problem!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 11,
2017 at 7:53 PM, Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
am pleased to submit the
Draft Report from the
Jurisdiction Subgroup for
consideration by the
CCWG-Accountability
Plenary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It
is my understanding that a
minority viewpoint is
expected to be submitted.
In the interests of time,
this will be submitted to
the Plenary separately
from the Draft Report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">During
the preparation of the
OFAC Recommendation, the
Subgroup considered an
email where a registrar
declined to do business
with a potential
reseller, based on the
registrar’s policy of
not doing business with
people with Iranian
passports. The Subgroup
also learned that this
registrar, which had
been registering domains
for a number of Iranian
nationals, refused to
continue to do business
with them. The Subgroup
has concluded that, to
the extent these
instances are related to
OFAC, the concerns
raised by these
instances are adequately
covered in the
Recommendation already
without any additional
changes. This is not in
any way a comment on the
validity of these
particular concerns.
The Subgroup will
consider creating "<span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">stress</span> <span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">tests</span>"
based on these
scenarios.</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
look forward to the
Plenary's reading of the
Draft Report.</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg
Shatan</span><span
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