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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 18 October 2017 08:56 PM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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(and Thiago)
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
respond to this with a very simple set of questions. All of
which admit of a simple Yes or No answer:</span></p>
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Milton, it is strange that you yourself do not respond to simple and
direct questions, arising from own statements, but insist that
others must do it. I mean the question I asked about your main
problem with pursuing "customised immunity" solution being that it
is impossible to get it from Trump administration...Anyway, I dont
want to be seem as distracting from your questions. I think a debate
and a consensus making process is one when people do answer other
people's question (it is a different matter that in the case of
jurisdiction sub group even the Chair does not answer direct
questions from members - I had asked him at least 3 times to seek
ICANN legal advice on whether it is possible to have immunity for
ICANN under US's IOI Act even while protecting ICANN's incorporation
under US non profit law, and application of other needed US laws,
but he never replied.)<br>
<br>
Now to your questions.<br>
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you or do you not think that ICANN should seek a general
OFAC license for DNS services?
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I think ICANN should be exempt from OFAC as a part of a larger deal,
which is to have customised immunity under US's International
Immunities Act. This makes the issue of an OFAC general licence
superfluous. I have no problem with the report recommending that
till the time customised immunity can be obtained, ICANN should ask
for a general OFAC licence. Or even that, if due to some reasons
ICANN is unable to get customised immunity, it shouls ask for a
general OFAC license. <br>
<br>
Since your main objection to seeking customised immunity for ICANN
was that Trump administration wont consider it, let me throw in a
dampener here. I see no greater chance of Trump admin providing a
general OFAC licence to cover ICANN activities than there is for it
to provide customised immunity to ICANN under IOI Act. Both you and
I know this to be a fact. But if with no chance of Trump admin
giving a general OFAC licence to ICANN we can pursue that
recommendation, we can as well do so with regard to customised
immunity. It is our job to tell what is the right thing for ICANN,
let political authorities do it when they can. <br>
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you or do you not want non-US registrars to be clearly told
by ICANN that the RAA does not by itself commit them to
abiding by OFAC sanctions?</span></p>
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Yes, I think they should be so told. But I dont agree for making
this or other recs without making the customised immunity rec.... <br>
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you or do you not want to require ICANN to seek an OFAC
license for any (non-SDP) registrar who needs it?</span></p>
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Yes, I agree ICANN should. If I remember right I was the first to
quote in the sub-group's elist the part from ICANN terms and
conditions that said they are under no obligation to seek OFAC
license and point to the inappropriateness of it. But I dont agree
for making this or other recs without making the customised immunity
rec.... <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Do
you or do you not want there to be a choice of law addition
to the contracted parties’ contracts?</span></p>
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Same answer as above.<br>
<br>
Although I have a question for you here. I dont see the group having
made a clear rec to ICANN to give them a real choice of law, like it
would have been if the "menu option" had been exclusively
recommended. The menu option is just one among many options given to
ICANN and ICANN may choose any... One of the options is actually to
make clear that there will only be one set of law governing all
contracts- the law of US gov and that of the state of
California...... ICANN may well choose this option from the set
given in the sub groups recs..... what happens then.... We would
have regressed considerably from the current situation where at
least choice of law is not mentioned and left open. The question to
you is: is my interpretation wrong?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
you answer No to all these question you are indeed
disagreeing with the subgroup recommendations, </span></p>
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MY answers are as above, and I am disagreeing with the group's
recommendation. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">and
you are de facto in favor of upholding the status quo,
because the status quo is the only actual alternative to the
consensus recommendations.
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Really, I love the status quo!!! That Thatcherite "there is no
alternative" -- you know how activists hate it... <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Looking
forward to your answers.</span></p>
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I provided them. Now, as a return courtesy , will you answer the
question I had asked, and I say it again<br>
<br>
"You often speak about intellectual honesty. Let me take you up on
it: is your problem only about what Trump admin will do with a
"jurisdictional immunity for ICANN" proposal? Were you really ready
for it before Trump came to power, and when he will not be in power?
I hope you do not run away and actually answer these questions."<br>
<br>
Thanks, parminder<br>
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parminder [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">mailto:parminder@itforchange.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 17, 2017 9:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"><milton@gatech.edu></a>; Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br"><thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org">acct-staff@icann.org</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gac@icann.org">gac@icann.org</a>; GAC
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gac@gac.icann.org"><gac@gac.icann.org></a>; ws2-jurisdiction
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"><ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction
Subgroup. Draft Report. Statement of Brazil. Annex. To
be annexed to the draft report. For consideration by
the CCWG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Monday 16 October 2017 11:18 PM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">By
the way, after additional review of these “dissenting”
materials I have come up with an interesting finding:
none of them actually disagree with the recommendations
we did come up with, and neither of them disputes that
there is consensus for the actual recommendations. They
simply say that the recommendations are not enough for
them.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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This is a wrong reading of what is a consensus. Consensus
relates to a whole set of recs, and the whole report, not
parts of it. One may not otherwise disagree, for instance,
with a particular motherhood and apple pie statement (they
are meant not be disagreed with), but disagree with it
constituting the whole of recs or the report of a group.
That would still be an absence of consensus for that
statement to be the rec of that group. (Those who are
involved with the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation will
know how its final stages to develop a report suffers from a
similar dilemma.)<br>
<br>
A report is as significant in terms of what it does not say
as what it says...... If there is no consensus on changing
the status quo, there isnt one on keeping it either. And the
dissonance is so very significant that some members would
want to dissociate from some weak formulations that have
been compiled as agreed outcomes of the group, which simply
do not address key issues of the mandate given to the group.
<br>
<br>
Let me try to explain it another way. Lets say that there
has been a great humanitarian crisis owing to human/
political reasons and a committee is formed to report on its
facts and the required action by the world community. If
some members try to develop a report that greatly
under-reports the nature and extent of the calamity (as is
done in this jurisdiction sub group's report regarding facts
of the many very significant problems about continued US
jurisdiction over a key global governance function) and
comes up with some very weak mitigating measures, like
saying that for the next many weeks free water supplies
should to maintained for the whole area, others members may
dissent with that report, without necessarily being against
the "water supply" part.... They are apt to disassociate
from and condemn the whole report, doing which would
certainly be a meaningful exercise, in putting emphasis on
what the committee was abdicating from rather than what it
was recommending. Similar is the situation with our dissent
notes with respect to the jurisdiction sub-group's report..<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So
what the dissent is about, really, is that they could
not achieve consensus on their own position regarding a
much broader take on jurisdiction and immunity. And yet
we all know that their position could never achieve
consensus. So their disputing the consensus basis of
this report amounts to a block what most of us could
agree on
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<a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 16, 2017 3:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <a
href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br></a>; <a
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">acct-staff@icann.org</a>;
<a href="mailto:gac@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
gac@icann.org</a>; GAC <a
href="mailto:gac@gac.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><gac@gac.icann.org></a>;
ws2-jurisdiction
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
Jurisdiction Subgroup. Draft Report. Statement of
Brazil. Annex. To be annexed to the draft report.
For consideration by the CCWG.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
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All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Enclosed
is the complete document of my dissenting opinion,
which now includes part 2 as well (with some
modifications in part 1) as a single document. Please
ignore the earlier submitted document.
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
is for CCWG's consideration. Also for jurisdiction
sub-group, assuming that it continues to function.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">parminder
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sunday 15 October 2017 11:51 PM,
parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
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All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
fully support the excellent "statement of Brazil",
which makes the required point very well. The
sub-group should consider the draft recommendations
made in the statement. In default, the CCWG should
directly consider them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">My
own dissenting opinion is enclosed. It is in two
parts, part 1 is about what was the group's mandate
to do but it failed to do. This part first expresses
support to Brazil's statement, and then makes
additional points, detailing how there has been a
miscarriage of due process, and thus justifying why
Brazil's draft recs must be considered, in the
required elaborate manner. Part one is enclosed
herewith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Part
two will present some comments on and disagreements
with regard to the two sets of draft recs that have
been submitted on the sub-group's behalf. I am still
to write them, so allow me to submit them in the
next 12 hours, which will still be the weekend in
some parts of the world, and thus within the
deadline I hope.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards, parminder </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sunday 15 October 2017 06:43
AM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
behalf of the Brazilian Government, I hereby
submit the "Statement of Brazil" and its
annex, which are to be annexed to the draft
report of the jurisdiction subgroup,
submitted on 11 October 2017, for
consideration by the CCWG plenary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> [</span><a
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">] em
nome de Greg Shatan [</span><a
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<b>Enviado:</b> quinta-feira, 12 de outubro
de 2017 23:29<br>
<b>Para:</b> </span><a
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ws2-jurisdiction<br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
Jurisdiction Subgroup Draft Report for
CCWG-Accountability Plenary Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">One
of the Subgroup members pointed out a
minor editing error in the document. On
pages 13-14, there were several mentions
of the RAA, when in fact the language
quoted and discussed was from the </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" lang="EN">ICANN Terms
and Conditions for Registrar
Accreditation Application. (The
reference was correct in the Executive
Summary.) This has now been fixed in
the attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at
10:10 PM, Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Some
minor formatting errors crept into
the Report when it was converted
from Word to PDF. A new PDF of
the report is attached. I've
checked each page to confirm that
the formatting errors were
resolved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank
you to Jorge Cancio for catching
this problem!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct
11, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Greg
Shatan <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am pleased to
submit the Draft
Report from the
Jurisdiction Subgroup
for consideration by
the
CCWG-Accountability
Plenary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It is my
understanding that a
minority viewpoint is
expected to be
submitted. In the
interests of time,
this will be submitted
to the Plenary
separately from the
Draft Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">During
the preparation of
the OFAC
Recommendation, the
Subgroup considered
an email where a
registrar declined
to do business with
a potential
reseller, based on
the registrar’s
policy of not doing
business with people
with Iranian
passports. The
Subgroup also
learned that this
registrar, which had
been registering
domains for a number
of Iranian
nationals, refused
to continue to do
business with them.
The Subgroup has
concluded that, to
the extent these
instances are
related to OFAC, the
concerns raised by
these instances are
adequately covered
in the
Recommendation
already without any
additional changes.
This is not in any
way a comment on the
validity of these
particular
concerns. The
Subgroup will
consider creating "<span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">stress</span> <span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">tests</span>"
based on these
scenarios.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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look forward to the
Plenary's reading of
the Draft Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Shatan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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