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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Enforcement of
individual rights is indeed hard. But worth it. We don't
have much of a democracy when people decide that fundamental
rights are just too hard to bother with...</font></font></p>
<p>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-06-19 14:26, Cyntia King wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">This would be an
enforcement nightmare.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:6.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Multiple enforcement
mechanisms for ICANN Whois accreditation policy including
govt agencies - potentially many govts around the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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penalties? Or would it vary govt-to-govt?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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for-profit enforcement entities?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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style="color:#0D0D0D;margin-bottom:6.0pt;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0
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charge whatever they want?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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lfo1"><span style="font-family:"Century
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wasn’t following the rules themselves - would they have
provider contracts w/ ICANN?<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century
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proposition sounds like an unmanageable, expensive &
fragmented mess to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Century
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Rubens Kuhl
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br"><rubensk@nic.br></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cyntia King <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cking@modernip.com"><cking@modernip.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John R. Levine <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"><johnl@iecc.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:accred-model@icann.org">accred-model@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Accred-Model] Version 1.6 of the
Accreditation and Access Model<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cyntia,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just to be clear, the initial suggestion
by Michael Palage incorporated in itself a mechanism,
instead of relying on Privacy Shield. Perhaps Privacy Shield
certification could be use to achieve some of its
requirements in order to save for organizations already
subscribed for it, instead of being the only option. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rubens<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Em 19 de jun de 2018, à(s)
14:58:000, Cyntia King <<a
href="mailto:cking@modernip.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">cking@modernip.com</a>>
escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Easy for
whom?<br>
I'm a small business owner & this is
daunting, to say the least.<br>
And there are multiple fees involved.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Are we
suggesting that this should be ICANN’s
enforcement mechanism for accessing Whois data?
This would be on top of the accreditation &
fees we’re already discussing, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">What
about ‘foreign’ companies - are we asking non-US
companies to self-certify w/ the Us govt?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">I don’t
see how this solves much of anything, but it
would certainly make accreditation more
difficult & expensive.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Cyntia
King</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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816.633.7647</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Century
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818.209.6088</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Message-----<br>
From: Accred-Model <</span><a
href="mailto:accred-model-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif">accred-model-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">> On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl<br>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 12:48 PM<br>
To: John R. Levine <</span><a
href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif">johnl@iecc.com</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">><br>
Cc: </span><a
href="mailto:accred-model@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif">accred-model@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D"><br>
Subject: Re: [Accred-Model] Version 1.6 of the
Accreditation and Access Model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">> Em
19 de jun de 2018, à(s) 14:32:000, John R.
Levine <</span><a
href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D;text-decoration:none">johnl@iecc.com</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">>
escreveu:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">>>
It's great when there is actually an easy
solution. At least for the many US companies,
law firms, cybersecurity firms, and others (and
this a huge part of the group seeking access),
they should "self-certify" to the EU-US Privacy
Shield, via procedures set up by the US
Department of Commerce and Federal Trade
Commission.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Well, at least until the EU courts kill privacy
shield like they did Safe Harbor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Banks and non-profits such as CAUCE are not
eligible for Privacy Shield (they're not
regulated by the FTC or DOT.) For small
organizations the PS rules are extremely conplex
and there's a mandatory annual payment to cover
potential arbitration costs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">> Can
we back up and explain what problem this
overcomplex "solution" is supposed to be solving
here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Century
Gothic",sans-serif;color:#0D0D0D">Having
redress mechanisms for data subjects that have
their data privacy rights violated. With great
power, there must also come great
responsibility.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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