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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ruben,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think that is a false analogy. You are equating something Kathy/NCUC said, which I do not agree with (i.e. that WhoIs should only be available through court
orders) to another unrelated statement that it is the role of governments to assess fines (or other penalties) for violation of laws. This does not mean that it is the role of ICANN to do assess fines.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 19, 2018 4:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Trachtenberg, Marc H. (Shld-Chi-IP-Tech)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> marksv@microsoft.com; johnl@iecc.com; accred-model@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Accred-Model] Version 1.6 of the Accreditation and Access Model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe it was the NCUC (Kathy, Farzi, Ayden, please correct me here) that went on record saying that access to non-public WHOIS date should be happen only thru court requests and similar due process methods. If you say that's only the
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<p class="MsoNormal">... you can't have the cake and eat it too. Pick one. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Em 19 de jun de 2018, à(s) 17:25:000, <<a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a>> <<a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Apologies but I am not sure I understand your email below. What do you mean by “defending due process”?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Rubens
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 19, 2018 4:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Trachtenberg, Marc H. (Shld-Chi-IP-Tech)<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com">marksv@microsoft.com</a>;
<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com">johnl@iecc.com</a>; <a href="mailto:accred-model@icann.org">
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Accred-Model] Version 1.6 of the Accreditation and Access Model</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What you just said is one of the arguments for the ones defending due process instead of an accreditation system. Would you prefer it ? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Em 19 de jun de 2018, à(s) 17:19:000, <<a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com"><span style="color:purple">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</span></a>> <<a href="mailto:trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com"><span style="color:purple">trachtenbergm@gtlaw.com</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">As others have said, this is the role of governments not ICANN. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jun 19, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@nic.br"><span style="color:purple">rubensk@nic.br</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As Michael and Kathy already mentioned, that simply isn't enough in the view of many. Sticking to that is a clear way to not make things move forward. The days of not facing consequences for data misuse are over. It's ok to have a legitimate
need and use it with due care, but claiming a need where one does not exist, or getting data thru a real need and later releasing it inadvertedly cause damages. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Em 19 de jun de 2018, à(s) 17:09:000, Mark Svancarek <<a href="mailto:marksv@microsoft.com"><span style="color:purple">marksv@microsoft.com</span></a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There is no need to change UDRP or URS in pursuit of a foolish consistency. The penalty imposed within the accreditation and access system should be disaccreditation and loss of access.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rubens
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:26:57 AM<br>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">Would each entity be able to charge whatever they want?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#0D0D0D;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif"">What would happen if a govt wasn’t following the rules themselves - would they have provider contracts w/ ICANN?</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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From: Accred-Model <</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:accred-model-bounces@icann.org"><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:purple">accred-model-bounces@icann.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Century Gothic","sans-serif";color:#0D0D0D">>
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