<div dir="ltr">Thanks for raising these issues.<div><br></div><div>We have brought our concerns to the attention of our GSE rep for the APRALO region and the APRALO leadership team is having a skype meeting with Jia Rong tomorrow evening my time, to discuss the FY19 issue. Unfortunately Jia Rong was not in Panama so he had not had a formal notification of the announcement before we told him!</div><div><br></div><div>I will raise the issues you have both raised to get some formal responses. Fortunately, we work in with our GSE team before we start planning our regional strategic plan, so that Jia Rong is very much aware of how we proposed to use our CROP allocations as well as how we propose to attend other regional events using other sponsors. </div><div><br></div><div>Jia Rong is the senior GSE for our region. We also have Save who is the Oceania GSE rep but he doesn't have any budget other than to get himself to regional events. He will be attending the regional event that we will not be funded to attend because their decision about CROP was announced on the last day of the required 6 weeks deadline - even without the week of the GSE approval period that they are now expecting.</div><div><br></div><div>We will no doubt hear about what cuts have been made in Jia Rongs budget as well, so that all we can do is to coordinate something
<span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">together<span> </span></span>that is realistic as well as hopefully fair to us as well as to ICANN... although we are coming a very poor second in this situation.</div><div><br></div><div>M </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 7:31 AM, Judith Hellerstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Maureen,</p>
<p>I recall Benedetta stating and it is written in the Blog post and
the Guidelines</p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(43,44,51);font-family:"SF Regular","Segoe System UI Regular","Segoe UI Regular",sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(241,241,244);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">if there is no Public Meeting or official ICANN meeting occurring in that RALO’s region in that FY, a meeting in that region that is assessed by the relevant regional Global Stakeholder Engagement (GSE) regional vice-president as being: (i) directly and demonstrably related to ongoing ICANN policy, advisory or technical activities (e.g. a Regional Internet Registry meeting), and (ii) consistent with the ICANN Organization’s outreach plan for that region.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(43,44,51);font-family:"SF Regular","Segoe System UI Regular","Segoe UI Regular",sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(241,241,244);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">Benedetta Stressed that if there was not an ICANN meeting in our region we can use our CROP slots for a meeting that is in our Outreach Plan and that was approved by the GSE. The goal she said was to work with the GSE. GSE will likely be continuing to support regional and national IGFs. Chris Mondini has given money to the IGF USA.
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<p><span style="color:rgb(43,44,51);font-family:"SF Regular","Segoe System UI Regular","Segoe UI Regular",sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(241,241,244);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">Her time in our meeting was far too short. She did stress to me that she understands that their may not be a meeting but that is why they have given a third option, to have a meeting is in our outreach plans and that is supported/approved by our GSE. She was stating that there is some flexibility and that if a trip is in our outreach plans and is approved by GSE it would be allowed.
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<p><span style="color:rgb(43,44,51);font-family:"SF Regular","Segoe System UI Regular","Segoe UI Regular",sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(241,241,244);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">Olivier-- We need to ask the GSE for their outreach plans and find out from them what they will be supporting this year. If we had known this earlier we could have used a slot for the IGF USA since GSE is supporting it and it is in their outreach plan. We need to press our GSE people to show us their plans and discuss what programs they have supported in the past and will likely support in the future
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<p><span style="color:rgb(43,44,51);font-family:"SF Regular","Segoe System UI Regular","Segoe UI Regular",sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:-0.2px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(241,241,244);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline!important;float:none">Maureen--I think when you are Chair you can make outreach more of an effort and push to get some one on that committee. You can ask for a rep from At-Large and gNSO to be included onto the decision making team when they re developing such policies so that we could at least negotiate something that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. I do agree is ridiculous they seem to only hear from certain people, for example they had no idea that the At Large and NCSG are not allowed to attend the GDD or similar summits
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<div class="m_-4528321763213646922m_-2292175795928402346moz-cite-prefix">On 7/4/2018 1:01 PM, Olivier MJ
Crépin-Leblond wrote:<br>
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Dear Maureen,<br>
<br>
the ALAC had a session with CROP staff. Several questions were
asked. Several answers were given, but I do not recall that we
were given responses to the very argument that you make below.
During the meeting I also asked what all of this "ICANN support"
meant for a meeting, as we the end users are rarely ever told in
advance that ICANN is supporting an initiative or other. Plus I
made the point that the GSE budget is also being slashed, so it is
likely that GSE will support less events than it currently is.<br>
How do we get responses to this? What is the process to ask GSE
what it supports?<br>
<br>
To your question why there is no SO/AC representative in these
decisions, the answer is simple: these programs are staff led.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="m_-4528321763213646922m_-2292175795928402346moz-cite-prefix">On 04/07/2018 02:41, Maureen Hilyard
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">No typo... CROP has now done a complete about
turn on its original policy which was NOT to include ICANN
meetings. Now it is "mainly for" ICANN Public meetings.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>However, "<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">if
a RALO or eligible GNSO group has used at least one
allocation for an ICANN meeting (or ICANN-organized
meeting), it may use its remaining allocation(s) for
meetings that are assessed by the relevant regional GSE VP
as being directly and demonstrably related to ongoing
ICANN policy, technical or advisory activities (e.g. RIR
meetings). "</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Does
that mean <b><u>only after</u></b> a RALO has used one of
its three allocated slots for an ICANN meeting? What if an
appropriate meeting for CROP occurs BEFORE an ICANN
meeting opportunity?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Why
isn't a representative from At-Large and gNSO included
onto the decision making team when they re developing such
policies so that we could at least negotiate something
that it is more fair and reasonable for both parties. This
is ridiculous.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:26 PM,
Bartlett Morgan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bartlett.morgan@gmail.com" target="_blank">bartlett.morgan@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">" <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:300;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">The
new CROP allocates up to three regional trips to
each of the five Regional At-Large Organizations
(RALOs) and each eligible constituency in the
Generic Names<span> </span></span><abbr title="Supporting Organization" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:300;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration:none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Supporting
Organization</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:300;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>(</span><abbr title="Generic Names Supporting Organization" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:300;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration:none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">GNSO</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:300;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">)
– Business Constituency (</span><abbr title="Business Constituency" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:300;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration:none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">BC</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:300;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">),
Intellectual Property Constituency (</span><abbr title="Intellectual Property Constituency" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:300;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration:none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">IPC</abbr><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-weight:300;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">),
Internet Service Providers and Connectivity
Providers Constituency (ISPCP), Non-Commercial Users
Constituency (</span><abbr title="Non-Commercial
Users Constituency" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:300;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration:none;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">NCUC</abbr><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><font color="#333333">), and Not-for-Profit Operational
Concerns Constituency (NPOC). With a few specific
exceptions as detailed in the new guidelines,
these allocations are to be used</font> <b><font color="#333333">mainly for outreach activities </font><font color="#ff0000">at </font></b></span><b><font color="#ff0000"><abbr title="Internet Corporation
for Assigned Names and Numbers" style="box-sizing:border-box;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">ICANN</abbr><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> Public
Meetings </span></font><span style="font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#ff0000">in</font></span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">
the relevant region or official regional meetings
organized by the<span> </span></span><abbr title="Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers" class="m_-4528321763213646922m_-2292175795928402346m_-8321981389775909201gmail-" style="box-sizing:border-box;unicode-bidi:bidi-override;direction:ltr;border-bottom:1px dotted rgb(153,153,153);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">ICANN</abbr></b><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><b> org</b>.</span>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">Typo?</div>
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Kind regards,<br>
Bartlett D. Morgan<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Tue, 3 Jul 2018 at 16:39, Dev
Anand Teelucksingh <<a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com" target="_blank">devtee@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Read
the blog post :<br>
<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/fy19-community-regional-outreach-program-crop-ready-for-use-by-eligible-icann-communities" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blo<wbr>g/fy19-community-regional-outr<wbr>each-program-crop-ready-for-us<wbr>e-by-eligible-icann-communitie<wbr>s</a><br>
and the CROP FY19 wiki at <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/pIRHBQ" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/<wbr>pIRHBQ</a><br>
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