Carlos, colleagues,<div>not going deeper into the essence of the problem mentioned by Avri and Lise, I have to confirm, that GAC is seen as a very innefficient mechanism by (at least part of) post-Soviet governments in my region. While a lot of people, including those whom I know well personally, and/or who are GAC members, do not share such views.</div>
<div>So, very unfortunately, I don't have my own answer to the question, what exactly is wrong: </div><div> the model itself (=> needs the revision of AoC), </div><div> the interaction between different ICANN's bodies and divisions, including the staff and the Board (needs certain intervention by the Board and/or the management of ICANN), or </div>
<div> the perception of GAC members or its current composition (=> needs certain internal decisions inside GAC)?</div><div>Maybe, it could be reasonable to discuss this problem separately.</div><div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Michael</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/21 Carlos Raul <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carlosraulg@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlosraulg@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
if everything you said is true, the absolute absence of GAC advice is enough to ring all the bells Allan!!!!<div>If GAC is innefective, do we need another GAC model? GA without a "C"?</div><div><br></div><div><div class="im">
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<br><br></div><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Lise,<br>
<br>
As I said in the meeting, if we cite the GAC<br>
explicitly, we will also need to add whether that<br>
any GAC advice/views were received in a timely manner.<br>
<br>
I did not call out the GAC explicitly when I<br>
drafted this, because I was aware of the answer.<br>
On the PDP process that we will be evaluating, I<br>
do not believe that we have received any GAC<br>
advice or even, had the benefit of general views<br>
during the process. There may be some subtle<br>
examples of views being known, but I can't be<br>
sure. I cannot recal any intervention of the GAC<br>
AFTER the PDP was completed and passed to the<br>
Board where the GAC objected. Perhaps Avri has a memory of such an occurrence.<br>
<br>
Note that the new gTLD PDP was before the period<br>
we are reviewing, since it was a completely<br>
different process, the IGO/INGO PDP is not yet<br>
completed, and there has been no completed PDP on<br>
Whois during that period either.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Alan<br>
</font></span><div><div><br>
At 21/06/2013 05:26 AM, Lise Fuhr wrote:<br>
>Hi all,<br>
><br>
>I think that Avri´s version changes the focus too much away from the purpose<br>
>of Jørgen's text, a purpose that it is my understanding that there were<br>
>support to at the conference call.<br>
><br>
>If we only look at GAC's status as defined in ICANN's bylaws the scope is<br>
>much narrower and we will not review if there are any needs to change the<br>
>bylaws or other processes but only if ICANN is complying to the existing<br>
>bylaws in this matter.<br>
><br>
>So I find we should keep Jørgen's wording.<br>
><br>
>Best,<br>
>Lise<br>
><br>
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>Avri Doria<br>
>Sendt: 20. juni 2013 20:21<br>
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>Emne: Re: [atrt2] PDP Effectiveness Study<br>
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>Hi,<br>
><br>
>I would be more comfortable with a more ICANN centric question, like:<br>
><br>
>- Whether the views of the GAC have been handled appropriately given their<br>
>status as defined in the ICANN bylaws.<br>
><br>
><br>
>avri<br>
><br>
><br>
>On 20 Jun 2013, at 12:41, Jørgen C Abild Andersen wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Dear colleagues<br>
> ><br>
> > Proposal for a new bullit between 86 and 87 (a 86A):<br>
> ><br>
> > - whether in particular the views and advice provided by GAC has been duly<br>
>taken into account given the specific tasks of national governments with<br>
>respect to public policy.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best wishes<br>
> > Jørgen<br>
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