<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Olivier,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks. &nbsp;I think this is an example of the distinction between policy and implementation :)</div><div><br></div><div>Steve<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond &lt;<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    Dear Mr. Zhang,<br>
    <br>
    I understand your suggestion regarding prioritisation is actually
    completely correct - but the recommendations themselves have an
    equal priority. It is the implementation which might need
    prioritisation - and this is based on the resources that ICANN has
    to implement the recommendations, not on the importance of the
    recommendations themselves.<br>
    <br>
    In this case, I have full confidence in ICANN Staff being able to
    manage and allocate resources which, in some cases might allow for
    parallel implementation of some of the recommendations but in others
    will involve a critical path that will require serial implementation
    and might therefore require prioritisation of tasks when linking it
    to dependency of processes.<br>
    <br>
    Ideally in large corporations, a project management Gantt Chart
    would be designed by the implementation Team and optimisation of
    such a Chart would be possible when allocating staffing person/time.
    A set of milestones would be identified and a calculation of
    suitable slack to counteract delays would be effected. Next a risk
    analysis would be performed to quantify the risk of project delay.
    Costing of such risks would be evaluated and cost-effective
    resiliency would be then built in the process delivery of the
    project so as to reduce financial exposure.<br>
    <br>
    In my humble opinion, this is what will determine the order in which
    the recommendations will be implemented.<br>
    <br>
    Kind regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/12/2013 15:40, zhang xinsheng
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Olivier, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I am kind of confused
            about the point. For
            all of these recommendations, I think that the importance of
            them and the
            effort to prioritize them are two things. Even if the team
            thinks the 12 recommendations
            are all important, in terms of operation, should we tell
            ICANN to implement all
            12 recommendations at the same time? I do not know whether
            my knowledge
            regarding prioritization methodology is wrong. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The team can decide not
            to do this. But
            ICANN has to face it in the process of implementation.
            Should the team make some
            suggestions to ICANN in this aspect?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Xinsheng</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
            color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:宋体;color:windowtext">发
                  件人<span lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
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                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org">atrt2-bounces@icann.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org">mailto:atrt2-bounces@icann.org</a>] </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
                  font-family:宋体;color:windowtext">代表 </span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:宋体;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">Olivier MJ
                Crepin-Leblond<br>
              </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:宋体;color:windowtext">发
                  送时间<span lang="EN-US">:</span></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
                font-family:宋体;color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> 2013</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
                font-family:宋体;color:windowtext">年<span lang="EN-US">12</span>月<span lang="EN-US">19</span>日<span lang="EN-US"> 9:47<br>
                </span><b>收件人<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:atrt2@icann.org">atrt2@icann.org</a><br>
                </span><b>主题<span lang="EN-US">:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Re: [atrt2]
                  Prioritization Doodle Poll<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Thank you for
            your explanation, Denise. Yes, I had dropped from the last
            call when this was
            discussed (darn) - apologies for the misunderstanding.<br>
            Kind regards,<br>
            <br>
            Olivier<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On 19/12/2013 02:26,
              Denise Michel wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Olivier,&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For the sake of
                  clarity (and you may have
                  gotten dropped from the last call when this was
                  discussed?) -- the Team decided
                  to consider prioritizing and asked staff to send this
                  poll. This came out of a
                  request from&nbsp;</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#333333" lang="EN-US">Zhang
                  Xinsheng to prioritize the
                  recommendations.&nbsp;</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#333333" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#333333" lang="EN-US">Denise</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Dec 18,
                    2013 at 4:02 PM, Olivier MJ
                    Crepin-Leblond &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear Larisa,<br>
                      <br>
                      I am sorry but I will not prioritise any of these
                      recommendations. This is
                      purely an ICANN thing to prioritise things which
                      are all important, for the
                      sole purpose of demoting the importance of some of
                      the recommendations because
                      let's face it, that's exactly what we are doing.<br>
                      There are 12 recommendations; ICANN is purporting
                      to be a world class
                      organisation... and it needs to have a committee
                      help it throttle the rate at
                      which these recommendations are implemented?<br>
                      For this reason, and I apologise for this, I shall
                      not fill the doodle poll. <br>
                      Kind regards,<br>
                      <br>
                      Olivier <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
                          <br>
                          <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On
                            18/12/2013 05:48, Larisa B. Gurnick
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Dear ATRT2 Members,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">As discussed on the ATRT2
                              call on 17 December, please indicate which
                              recommendations you would consider to be
                              “priority” recommendations by voting
                              in the Doodle Poll </span><u><span style="color:blue" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://doodle.com/yxidhmrupcbfmb4u" target="_blank">http://doodle.com/yxidhmrupcbfmb4u</a>.&nbsp;
                              </span><b><span lang="EN-US">This Doodle
                                  Poll will close by 23:59 UTC on 18
                                  December.</span></b></u><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp; Depending on the results of
                              this Poll, further discussion and
                              consideration will be given, via email, to
                              the possibility of including
                              prioritization guidance in the Final
                              Report.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Here is a recap of the
                              recommendations for ease of reference:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">#1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The Board should
                              develop objective measures for determining
                              the quality of ICANN Board members
                              and the success of Board improvement
                              efforts, and analyze those findings over
                              time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">#2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
The
                              Board should develop metrics to measure
                              the effectiveness of the Board’s
                              functioning and improvement efforts, and
                              publish the materials used for
                              training to gauge levels of improvement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">#3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
The
                              Board should conduct
                              qualitative/quantitative studies to
                              determine how the
                              qualifications of Board candidate pools
                              change over time , and regularly assess
                              Director’s compensation levels against
                              prevailing standards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">#4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
The
                              Board should continue supporting
                              cross-community engagement aimed at
                              developing an understanding of the
                              distinction between policy development and
                              policy implementation.&nbsp; Develop
                              complementary mechanisms whereby the
                              Supporting Organizations and Advisory
                              Committees (SO/AC) can consult with the
                              Board on matters, including, but not
                              limited to policy, implementation and
                              administrative matters, on which the Board
                              makes decisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">#5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
The
                              Board should review redaction standards
                              for Board documents, Document
                              Information Disclosure Policy (DIDP) and
                              any other ICANN documents to create a
                              single published redaction policy.
                              Institute a process to regularly evaluate
                              redacted material to determine if
                              redactions are still required and if not,
                              ensure that redactions are removed. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">#6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GAC-related
                              recommendation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">#7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
The
                              Board should explore mechanisms to improve
                              public comment through adjusted
                              time allotments, forward planning
                              regarding the number of consultations
                              given
                              anticipated growth in participation, and
                              new tools that facilitate
                              participation.&nbsp; The Board also should
                              establish a process under the Public
                              Comment Process where those who commented
                              or replied during the Public Comment
                              and/or Reply Comment period(s) can request
                              changes to the synthesis reports in
                              cases where they believe the Staff
                              incorrectly summarized their comment(s). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">#8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
To
                              support public participation, the Board
                              should review capacity of the
                              language services department versus the
                              Community need for the service using
                              Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) and make
                              relevant adjustments such as
                              improving translation quality and
                              timeliness and interpretation quality.
                              ICANN
                              should implement continuous improvement of
                              translation and interpretation
                              services including benchmarking of
                              procedures used by international
                              organizations such as the United Nations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Consideration
                              of decision-making inputs and appeals
                              processes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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                              The
                              Board should improve the effectiveness of
                              cross-community deliberations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
                            margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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Effectiveness
                              of the Review Process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Financial
                              Accountability and Transparency<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><i><span lang="EN-US">Larisa B. Gurnick</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Consultant/Senior Director,
                              Organizational Reviews<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="EN-US">Internet
                              Corporation for Assigned Names and
                              Numbers (ICANN)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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