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    Hello all,<br>
    <br>
    I must say likewise, I am also somehow confused by: "suitable for a
    non-profit organization".<br>
    There are countless different types of non-profit organizations with
    varying budgets and on the matter of budget, ICANN is rather special
    in that it is supporting a global bottom-up multi-stakeholder policy
    development process... possibly the only one of its kind in
    existence (dare I say, in the universe?). Surely that complicates
    matters?<br>
    <br>
    Kind regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/12/2013 23:14, Conroy, Stephen
      (Private) wrote:<br>
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      <div>Hi, my concern is the words will ultimately prove unworkable
        and be unable to be implemented.</div>
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      <div>Can someone nominate a ' suitable not for profit '</div>
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        What are the standards of the other organisation ?</div>
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      <div>Stephen<br>
        Sent from my iPhone</div>
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        On 23 Dec 2013, at 8:40 pm, "Lise Fuhr" &lt;<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Stephen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB">The exact current text was agreed by the
                team at a conference call earlier this month. The last
                part of paragraph 12.3 is a result of comments from the
                last round of public comments.
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB">There are no preconceived agendas &#8211; and
                deviations go both ways. So I don&#8217;t think we go too far
                regarding intent.
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB">Furthermore I am not sure I understand your
                comment about benchmarking not being the only item to
                consider when trying to attract staff.
                <o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB">I find that the paragraph is an important
                part of being accountable and ensuring that ICANN is
                accountable. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB">Lise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                lang="EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                    Conroy, Stephen (Private) [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Stephen.Conroy@aph.gov.au">mailto:Stephen.Conroy@aph.gov.au</a>]
                    <br>
                    <b>Sendt:</b> 23. december 2013 04:54<br>
                    <b>Til:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> Lise Fuhr; Brian Cute; Sabra Chartrand (<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:Chartrand@att.net">Chartrand@att.net</a>);
                    ATRT2<br>
                    <b>Emne:</b> Re: [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report -
                    Draft#2 For Your Review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi all<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Could I indicate I do not support
                Lise current paragraph 12.3<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">It is far too restrictive in its
                intent<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Benchmarking is important but should
                not be the only item to consider when trying to attract
                staff<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">The ATRT must &nbsp;not simply push
                preconceived agendas<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Stephen<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:42 am, "Larisa B. Gurnick" &lt;<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org">larisa.gurnick@icann.org</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Lise,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Confirmed.&nbsp;
                    The following wording is currently included in the
                    report, in the Executive Summary as well as the body
                    of the report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">12.3&nbsp;
                    Every three years the Board should conduct a
                    benchmark study on relevant parameters, (e.g. size
                    of organization, levels of staff compensation and
                    benefits, cost of living adjustments, etc.) suitable
                    for a non-profit organization.&nbsp; If the result of the
                    benchmark is that ICANN as an organization is not in
                    line with the standards of comparable organizations,
                    the Board should consider aligning the deviation. In
                    cases where the Board chooses not to align, this has
                    to be reasoned in the Board decision and published
                    to the Internet community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">12.4&nbsp;
                    In order to improve accountability and transparency&nbsp;
                    ICANN&#8217;s Board should base the yearly budgets on a
                    multi-annual strategic plan and corresponding
                    financial framework [covering e.g. a three-year
                    period] This rolling plan and framework should
                    reflect the planned activities and the corresponding
                    expenses in that multi-annual period. This should
                    include specified budgets for the ACs and SOs.
                    ICANN&#8217;s [yearly] financial reporting shall ensure
                    that it is possible to track ICANN&#8217;s activities and
                    the related expenses with particular focus on the
                    implementation of the [yearly] budget. The financial
                    report shall be subject to public consultation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Larisa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">
                        Lise Fuhr [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:03 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> 'Brian Cute'<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick; 'ATRT2'<br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> SV: [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report -
                        Draft#2 For Your Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi
                    Brian,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                    lang="EN-GB">I would like to keep the previous
                    edition of 12.4 and I hope that 12.3 still reads:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                    lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="Default" style="margin-bottom:11.8pt"><span
                    style="font-family:&quot;Times New
                    Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;">12.3&nbsp;&nbsp; Every three
                    years the Board should conduct a benchmark study on
                    relevant parameters, (e.g. size of organization,
                    levels of staff compensation and benefits, cost of
                    living adjustments, etc.) suitable for a non-profit
                    organization.&nbsp; </span>
                  <span style="font-family:&quot;Times New
                    Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;" lang="EN-GB">If the
                    result of the benchmark is that ICANN as an
                    organization is not in line with the standards of
                    comparable organizations, the Board should consider
                    aligning the deviation. In cases where the Board
                    chooses not to align, this has to be reasoned in the
                    Board decision and published to the Internet
                    community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="Default" style="margin-bottom:11.8pt"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best
                      regards and have a happy holiday,<br>
                    </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"
                      lang="EN-GB">Lise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                    lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                          lang="EN-GB">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"
                        lang="EN-GB"> Brian Cute [<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:brianacute@gmail.com">mailto:brianacute@gmail.com</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sendt:</b> 22. december 2013 18:24<br>
                        <b>Til:</b> Lise Fuhr<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick; ATRT2<br>
                        <b>Emne:</b> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Re:
                        [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report - Draft#2 For Your
                        Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Lise,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">I have added footnotes with
                    quotes from public comments to the report as well as
                    a few edits. &nbsp;I intended those edits to add support
                    to the recommendations. &nbsp;If you are uncomfortable
                    with the impact on the recommendations you drafted,
                    by all means fell free to change th to reflect the
                    intent of your draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Beat,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Brian<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                    Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                    On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:31 PM, "Lise Fuhr" &lt;<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi
                        Larisa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">I have a few remarks.
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">I am not happy with the changes
                        Sabra made on page 12 to recommendation 12.4. I
                        think the new wording changes the recommendation
                        too much. I furthermore don&#8217;t understand why the
                        review team suddenly is a part of the
                        recommendation. The changes are not in the same
                        recommendation on page 81. I prefer the
                        &#8220;original&#8221; version on page 81.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">At page 79 there is a comment from
                        [s36] about &#8220;whose comments is this?&#8221;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">The section referred to is a part
                        of the section above and is a part of the RySG
                        comments to recommendation 12.4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">I hope this is understandable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">Have a nice weekend &#8211; and a Merry
                        Christmas/holidays</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        lang="EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
                        lang="EN-GB">Lise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <b>P&aring; vegne af </b>Larisa B. Gurnick<br>
                            <b>Sendt:</b> 20. december 2013 08:30<br>
                            <b>Til:</b> ATRT2 (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            <b>Emne:</b> [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report -
                            Draft#2 For Your Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Review Team members,<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Attached are documents
                      comprising ATRT2 Final Report &#8211; Draft #2<b>.&nbsp;
                        <u>Please review these documents and provide
                          staff with your final edits by 23 UTC on
                          Friday, 20 December</u></b><u>.</u>
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Staff will circulate ATRT2
                      Final Report &#8211; Draft #3 on Monday 23 December.
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Appendix B has not changed
                      since the Draft Report.&nbsp; Appendix C reflects all
                      the submitted changes.&nbsp; Appendix D is new.&nbsp;
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Staff made every effort to
                      reflect your intended changes consistently and
                      accurately, and the quality control effort is
                      still continuing.&nbsp; However, due to the volume of
                      changes, please take care to check your portions
                      of the document to ensure accuracy.&nbsp; Formatting
                      and table of contents will be updated in the next
                      draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">As a reminder, ICANN will be
                      closed for the holidays from noon on 24 December
                      through 1 January, and the editor that has been
                      engaged to assist with the Final Report will not
                      be available after 23 December.&nbsp;
                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Staff will be available to
                      assist with any last minute edits upon return on 2
                      January.&nbsp; Staff will submit the final report for
                      translation&nbsp; and coordinate the posting on the web
                      site as soon as ATRT2 confirms the Final Report
                      documents after the holidays.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>Larisa B. Gurnick</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal">Consultant/Senior Director,
                      Organizational Reviews<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Internet
                        Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
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