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Hello all,<br>
<br>
I must say likewise, I am also somehow confused by: "suitable for a
non-profit organization".<br>
There are countless different types of non-profit organizations with
varying budgets and on the matter of budget, ICANN is rather special
in that it is supporting a global bottom-up multi-stakeholder policy
development process... possibly the only one of its kind in
existence (dare I say, in the universe?). Surely that complicates
matters?<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/12/2013 23:14, Conroy, Stephen
(Private) wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi, my concern is the words will ultimately prove unworkable
and be unable to be implemented.</div>
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<div>Can someone nominate a ' suitable not for profit '</div>
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What are the standards of the other organisation ?</div>
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<div>Stephen<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On 23 Dec 2013, at 8:40 pm, "Lise Fuhr" <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Stephen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">The exact current text was agreed by the
team at a conference call earlier this month. The last
part of paragraph 12.3 is a result of comments from the
last round of public comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">There are no preconceived agendas – and
deviations go both ways. So I don’t think we go too far
regarding intent.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Furthermore I am not sure I understand your
comment about benchmarking not being the only item to
consider when trying to attract staff.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I find that the paragraph is an important
part of being accountable and ensuring that ICANN is
accountable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Lise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Conroy, Stephen (Private) [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Stephen.Conroy@aph.gov.au">mailto:Stephen.Conroy@aph.gov.au</a>]
<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 23. december 2013 04:54<br>
<b>Til:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lise Fuhr; Brian Cute; Sabra Chartrand (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Chartrand@att.net">Chartrand@att.net</a>);
ATRT2<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report -
Draft#2 For Your Review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Could I indicate I do not support
Lise current paragraph 12.3<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is far too restrictive in its
intent<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Benchmarking is important but should
not be the only item to consider when trying to attract
staff<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The ATRT must not simply push
preconceived agendas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stephen<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:42 am, "Larisa B. Gurnick" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org">larisa.gurnick@icann.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Lise,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Confirmed.
The following wording is currently included in the
report, in the Executive Summary as well as the body
of the report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">12.3
Every three years the Board should conduct a
benchmark study on relevant parameters, (e.g. size
of organization, levels of staff compensation and
benefits, cost of living adjustments, etc.) suitable
for a non-profit organization. If the result of the
benchmark is that ICANN as an organization is not in
line with the standards of comparable organizations,
the Board should consider aligning the deviation. In
cases where the Board chooses not to align, this has
to be reasoned in the Board decision and published
to the Internet community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">12.4
In order to improve accountability and transparency
ICANN’s Board should base the yearly budgets on a
multi-annual strategic plan and corresponding
financial framework [covering e.g. a three-year
period] This rolling plan and framework should
reflect the planned activities and the corresponding
expenses in that multi-annual period. This should
include specified budgets for the ACs and SOs.
ICANN’s [yearly] financial reporting shall ensure
that it is possible to track ICANN’s activities and
the related expenses with particular focus on the
implementation of the [yearly] budget. The financial
report shall be subject to public consultation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Larisa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Lise Fuhr [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Brian Cute'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick; 'ATRT2'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> SV: [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report -
Draft#2 For Your Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi
Brian,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I would like to keep the previous
edition of 12.4 and I hope that 12.3 still reads:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Default" style="margin-bottom:11.8pt"><span
style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">12.3 Every three
years the Board should conduct a benchmark study on
relevant parameters, (e.g. size of organization,
levels of staff compensation and benefits, cost of
living adjustments, etc.) suitable for a non-profit
organization. </span>
<span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"" lang="EN-GB">If the
result of the benchmark is that ICANN as an
organization is not in line with the standards of
comparable organizations, the Board should consider
aligning the deviation. In cases where the Board
chooses not to align, this has to be reasoned in the
Board decision and published to the Internet
community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="Default" style="margin-bottom:11.8pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best
regards and have a happy holiday,<br>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Lise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
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lang="EN-GB">Fra:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-GB"> Brian Cute [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brianacute@gmail.com">mailto:brianacute@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 22. december 2013 18:24<br>
<b>Til:</b> Lise Fuhr<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick; ATRT2<br>
<b>Emne:</b> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Re:
[atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report - Draft#2 For Your
Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lise,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have added footnotes with
quotes from public comments to the report as well as
a few edits. I intended those edits to add support
to the recommendations. If you are uncomfortable
with the impact on the recommendations you drafted,
by all means fell free to change th to reflect the
intent of your draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Beat,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brian<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:31 PM, "Lise Fuhr" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi
Larisa,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I have a few remarks.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I am not happy with the changes
Sabra made on page 12 to recommendation 12.4. I
think the new wording changes the recommendation
too much. I furthermore don’t understand why the
review team suddenly is a part of the
recommendation. The changes are not in the same
recommendation on page 81. I prefer the
“original” version on page 81.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">At page 79 there is a comment from
[s36] about “whose comments is this?”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">The section referred to is a part
of the section above and is a part of the RySG
comments to recommendation 12.4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">I hope this is understandable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Have a nice weekend – and a Merry
Christmas/holidays</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-GB">Lise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>På vegne af </b>Larisa B. Gurnick<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 20. december 2013 08:30<br>
<b>Til:</b> ATRT2 (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atrt2@icann.org">atrt2@icann.org</a>)<br>
<b>Emne:</b> [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report -
Draft#2 For Your Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Review Team members,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Attached are documents
comprising ATRT2 Final Report – Draft #2<b>.
<u>Please review these documents and provide
staff with your final edits by 23 UTC on
Friday, 20 December</u></b><u>.</u>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Staff will circulate ATRT2
Final Report – Draft #3 on Monday 23 December.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Appendix B has not changed
since the Draft Report. Appendix C reflects all
the submitted changes. Appendix D is new.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Staff made every effort to
reflect your intended changes consistently and
accurately, and the quality control effort is
still continuing. However, due to the volume of
changes, please take care to check your portions
of the document to ensure accuracy. Formatting
and table of contents will be updated in the next
draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a reminder, ICANN will be
closed for the holidays from noon on 24 December
through 1 January, and the editor that has been
engaged to assist with the Final Report will not
be available after 23 December.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Staff will be available to
assist with any last minute edits upon return on 2
January. Staff will submit the final report for
translation and coordinate the posting on the web
site as soon as ATRT2 confirms the Final Report
documents after the holidays.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>Larisa B. Gurnick</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Consultant/Senior Director,
Organizational Reviews<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Internet
Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org">larisa.gurnick@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">310 383-8995<o:p></o:p></p>
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Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
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