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<div>ICANN is expected to run all of the stakeholder engagement and we would like it to do more</div>
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<div>I agree with Olivier that this causes measurement problems</div>
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On 24 Dec 2013, at 10:24 am, "Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond" <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I must say likewise, I am also somehow confused by: "suitable for a non-profit organization".<br>
There are countless different types of non-profit organizations with varying budgets and on the matter of budget, ICANN is rather special in that it is supporting a global bottom-up multi-stakeholder policy development process... possibly the only one of its
kind in existence (dare I say, in the universe?). Surely that complicates matters?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/12/2013 23:14, Conroy, Stephen (Private) wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi, my concern is the words will ultimately prove unworkable and be unable to be implemented.</div>
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<div>Can someone nominate a ' suitable not for profit '</div>
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What are the standards of the other organisation ?</div>
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On 23 Dec 2013, at 8:40 pm, "Lise Fuhr" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Stephen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">The exact current text was agreed by the team at a conference call earlier this month. The last part of paragraph 12.3 is a result of comments from the last round of public comments.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">There are no preconceived agendas – and deviations go both ways. So I don’t think we go too far regarding intent.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Furthermore I am not sure I understand your comment about benchmarking not being the only item to consider when trying to attract staff.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">I find that the paragraph is an important part of being accountable and ensuring that ICANN is accountable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Lise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Conroy, Stephen (Private) [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Stephen.Conroy@aph.gov.au">mailto:Stephen.Conroy@aph.gov.au</a>]
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<b>Sendt:</b> 23. december 2013 04:54<br>
<b>Til:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lise Fuhr; Brian Cute; Sabra Chartrand (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Chartrand@att.net">Chartrand@att.net</a>); ATRT2<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report - Draft#2 For Your Review<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Could I indicate I do not support Lise current paragraph 12.3<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is far too restrictive in its intent<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Benchmarking is important but should not be the only item to consider when trying to attract staff<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The ATRT must not simply push preconceived agendas<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stephen<br>
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On 23 Dec 2013, at 10:42 am, "Larisa B. Gurnick" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org">larisa.gurnick@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Lise,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Confirmed. The following wording is currently included in the report, in the Executive Summary as well as the body of the report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">12.3 Every three years the Board should conduct a benchmark study on relevant parameters, (e.g. size of organization, levels of staff compensation and benefits, cost of living adjustments, etc.) suitable for
a non-profit organization. If the result of the benchmark is that ICANN as an organization is not in line with the standards of comparable organizations, the Board should consider aligning the deviation. In cases where the Board chooses not to align, this
has to be reasoned in the Board decision and published to the Internet community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">12.4 In order to improve accountability and transparency ICANN’s Board should base the yearly budgets on a multi-annual strategic plan and corresponding financial framework [covering e.g. a three-year period]
This rolling plan and framework should reflect the planned activities and the corresponding expenses in that multi-annual period. This should include specified budgets for the ACs and SOs. ICANN’s [yearly] financial reporting shall ensure that it is possible
to track ICANN’s activities and the related expenses with particular focus on the implementation of the [yearly] budget. The financial report shall be subject to public consultation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Larisa</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Brian Cute'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick; 'ATRT2'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> SV: [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report - Draft#2 For Your Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Brian,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">I would like to keep the previous edition of 12.4 and I hope that 12.3 still reads:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="Default" style="margin-bottom:11.8pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">12.3 Every three years the Board should conduct a benchmark study on relevant parameters, (e.g. size of organization, levels of staff
compensation and benefits, cost of living adjustments, etc.) suitable for a non-profit organization.
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Roman","serif"" lang="EN-GB">If the result of the benchmark is that ICANN as an organization is not in line with the standards of comparable organizations, the Board should consider aligning the
deviation. In cases where the Board chooses not to align, this has to be reasoned in the Board decision and published to the Internet community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="Default" style="margin-bottom:11.8pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Best regards and have a happy holiday,<br>
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<b>Sendt:</b> 22. december 2013 18:24<br>
<b>Til:</b> Lise Fuhr<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Larisa B. Gurnick; ATRT2<br>
<b>Emne:</b> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Re: [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report - Draft#2 For Your Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have added footnotes with quotes from public comments to the report as well as a few edits. I intended those edits to add support to the recommendations. If you are uncomfortable with the impact on the recommendations you drafted, by
all means fell free to change th to reflect the intent of your draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:31 PM, "Lise Fuhr" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">I have a few remarks.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">I am not happy with the changes Sabra made on page 12 to recommendation 12.4. I think the new wording changes the recommendation too much. I furthermore don’t understand why the review team suddenly
is a part of the recommendation. The changes are not in the same recommendation on page 81. I prefer the “original” version on page 81.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">At page 79 there is a comment from [s36] about “whose comments is this?”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">The section referred to is a part of the section above and is a part of the RySG comments to recommendation 12.4.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">I hope this is understandable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Have a nice weekend – and a Merry Christmas/holidays</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Lise</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>På vegne af </b>Larisa B. Gurnick<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 20. december 2013 08:30<br>
<b>Til:</b> ATRT2 (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:atrt2@icann.org">atrt2@icann.org</a>)<br>
<b>Emne:</b> [atrt2] ATRT2 Final Report - Draft#2 For Your Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Review Team members,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attached are documents comprising ATRT2 Final Report – Draft #2<b>.
<u>Please review these documents and provide staff with your final edits by 23 UTC on Friday, 20 December</u></b><u>.</u>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Staff made every effort to reflect your intended changes consistently and accurately, and the quality control effort is still continuing. However, due to the volume of changes, please take care to check your portions of the document to
ensure accuracy. Formatting and table of contents will be updated in the next draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a reminder, ICANN will be closed for the holidays from noon on 24 December through 1 January, and the editor that has been engaged to assist with the Final Report will not be available after 23 December.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Staff will be available to assist with any last minute edits upon return on 2 January. Staff will submit the final report for translation and coordinate the posting on the web site as soon as ATRT2 confirms the Final Report documents
after the holidays.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i>Larisa B. Gurnick</i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:larisa.gurnick@icann.org">larisa.gurnick@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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