[ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group

Tue Sep 8 04:57:03 UTC 2020

I doubt this will be the only interaction opportunity we have on all this
let's not tend to overengineer our responses... but rather work *from* the
excellent report we have put together,  then move along these other issues
(or not ;-)

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On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 12:08, Kane, Pat via ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <
atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org> wrote:

> Hello all.
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> Just got back in town and have had a look through the questions.  I find
> it difficult to address many of these questions on such short notice and
> the answers may be, hadn’t thought about that much and we will have to get
> back to you.  As Sebastien has suggested, I think that it would be
> beneficial for us to have a pre-call for the team so as to have a team view
> on these questions when discussing.
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> It may not be possible.  I will be there.
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> *From:* ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <
> atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces at icann.org> *On Behalf Of *DANIEL
> NANGHAKA
> *Sent:* Monday, September 07, 2020 5:24 PM
> *To:* atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org; Vanda Scartezini <
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> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3
> implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
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> Dear Team,
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> Looking at the current situation, Vanda has explicitly explained the
> situation, for the radical changes I believe they have clearly been stated
> in the report.
>
> The questions from the ATRT3 Board Caucus group will shape the discussion
> or dialogue that we shall be having.
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> Illustrations have been made and explicitly been documented and where
> clarity is needed, explanations will be made.
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> @Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org> , when the situation arises, the
> explanation that you have given here can be brought up.
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> So we already have solutions.
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> Daniel
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>    1. Re: ATRT3 implementation shepherds: Questions from ATRT3
>       Board Caucus Group (Vanda Scartezini)
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> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:07:49 +0000
> From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>
> To: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr at gmail.com>
> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org"
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> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation
>         shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
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> HI Cheryl,
> Can do, but may use too much time. But to have a better organization,
> better you or Pat to flag me and I will do, in order to not disrupt the
> meeting.
> We have too many question to answer and I do not know how long they plan
> to stay with us?
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> From: Cheryl Langdon-Orr <langdonorr at gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, September 7, 2020 at 17:30
> To: Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>
> Cc: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org" <
> atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation
> shepherds: Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
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> Well said Vanda and I would encourage you to say it again in the call...
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 06:12 Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org<mailto:
> vanda at scartezini.org>> wrote:
> Dear friends
>
> Even not requested to comment the questions made by the Board caucus group
> I would like to remember the response from Leon to the minority report
> regarding Reviews:
>
> ?that there are significant differences between the recommendations that
> we are including in the final report and what was commented by the
> community. So this might be an issue at the time the board considers the
> report, and what I'm hearing is that there is some desire to further engage
> with the community so that
>
> ICANN | Third Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT3) Report |
> May 2020 | 333
>
> they are able to comment on these recommendations since, again, they seem
> to be significantly different from those in which they were able to comment
> during the public comment period. So I just want to flag this because it
> might be an issue when time comes for the board to consider these
> recommendation. And I don't know if this calls for any public comment as
> Daniel is signaling, but certainly, there needs to be some sort of
> engagement with the community so that they are updated on these changes and
> they are able maybe to comment on this, or at least be aware of these
> differences, and then the board is able to consider rightfully these
> recommendations.? We note for accuracy and completeness that Le?n S?nchez
> further explained (at page 61 of the transcript) that his ?flagging this
> issue does not equate to me requesting or pushing for another public
> comment period, just to be clear.?
>
> From  my view, I remember give all the time to our colleagues inside ATRT3
> to explain the reasons the group they represent, and in this regard I do
> not see lack of opportunity to debate and take it back to their communities.
>
> For the other side, I believe we had the expectation, not possible indeed,
> to have more interaction with the community, time to explain each point
> better etc. The one year time, we were under, give us few opportunity to
> get more feedback or even enough time to better  explaining our proposal to
> each community, especially those better served by the current situation
> ,then more opposed to changes.
> In my opinion it shall be consider, after the conclusion and ( we expect)
> end of the pandemic situation, before any position against it, give some
> opportunity to this interaction with groups, since in my view what they
> were most afraid of was  the expectation of doing the full work alone.
> However, our proposals  do allow the use of external consultants?
>
> Our proposal is a radical change no question on this. But we all agreed
> there are huge dissatisfaction with the current solution on reviews among
> the AC/SO, demanding too much time from the community, with not enough good
> experiences and certainly high cost to ICANN.org.
> Normally changes on the process anyone is used to is hard to be accepted
> by all. But we have understood  and the proposal itself offers a solution
> for the questions raised.
> Explain directly to those groups will be the real solution IMO.
> Vanda Scartezini
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> From: ATRT3-implementation-shepherds <
> atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces at icann.org<mailto:
> atrt3-implementation-shepherds-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Jennifer
> Bryce <jennifer.bryce at icann.org<mailto:jennifer.bryce at icann.org>>
> Date: Friday, September 4, 2020 at 09:33
> To: "atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org<mailto:
> atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org>" <
> atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org<mailto:
> atrt3-implementation-shepherds at icann.org>>
> Cc: Leon Sanchez <leon.sanchez at board.icann.org<mailto:
> leon.sanchez at board.icann.org>>
> Subject: [ATRT3-implementation-shepherds] ATRT3 implementation shepherds:
> Questions from ATRT3 Board Caucus Group
>
> Dear ATRT3 implementation shepherds,
>
> I hope this email finds you all well. Attached, please find questions from
> the ATRT3 Board Caucus Group, intended to help focus the discussion during
> your joint meeting on Tuesday, 8 September at 13:00 UTC. Written responses
> are not requested.
>
> The ATRT3 Board Caucus Group is looking forward to the meeting. You can
> find information on the makeup of the group here<
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