[bc-gnso] Clarification

Michael D. Palage michael at palage.com
Mon May 14 19:02:47 UTC 2012

Hello Jim,


I thought about that but then realized our statement would immediately NOT
scale to the current operations of .NAME, .TEL and .CAT since those
registries do not "provide direct access to" the Thick WHois data.


Suppose Verizon was to apply for a .VERIZON gTLD and allocate second level
domains to its FIOS customers. Now in this scenario Verizon has pristine
contact data, it physically knows where the fiber terminates in a customer's
home and sends that customer a bill which is paid every month. Now do I
expect that Verizon would publicly make available the whois data of every
Verizon subscriber?  Considering how registrars use to mine whois data to
pouch other registrars customers, I do not think Verizon wants to allow
Comcast to cherry pick its FIOS customer list.  


What law enforcement and third parties that have been harmed by a domain
name registrant want is quick and prompt access to accurate whois data when
something bad happens.  That is why I used the word "direct access to".
Providing third parties with direct access to thick Whois data which
contains nothing more than proxy data is useless to those people trying to
correct/prevent the harm. 


The BC needs to be mindful that there are many moving parts in the Whois
discussion, and that there is no guarantee that proxy/privacy services will
continue to be a means to shield personal data.   Many of the
corporate/brand BC members that have applied for gTLDs need to be mindful of
these very important operational and legal issues.  The traditional one size
fits all approach of policy formulation in the .COM gTLD world will no
longer scale in the near foreseeable future.


Best regards,




From: Baskin, James F (Jim) [mailto:james.f.baskin at verizon.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:18 PM
To: Michael D. Palage; ''Bc GNSO list ''
Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Clarification


How about "provide direct access to" ?


From: owner-bc-gnso at icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso at icann.org] On Behalf Of
Michael D. Palage
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:01 PM
To: ''Bc GNSO list ''
Subject: [bc-gnso] Clarification


Hello All,

I am a little confused by the wording "[w]e believe that requiring all
Registries to comply with Thick Whois."  How does one "comply" with thick
whois?  Registries such as .NAME, .TEL and now .CAT "operate" their registry
by collecting Thick whois data, but comply with national privacy laws in how
they provide access to that data set. Having worked with a large number of
new gTLD applicants with a variety of business models, I think the BC needs
to be a little more careful in how we word our statements so they scale in a
future world of thousands of new gTLDs.

Therefore, I would recommend that we change the phrase "comply with" to
"have direct access to."   

Best regards,



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