<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I would agree with Rick on this one.
Simply acquiring thousands of domains is not the answer, irrespective
of any cost reductions, Considering all the variations that can be registered
against a TM (and there's always more...), imagine what that could be like
with hundreds of new gTLDs and the wider use of IDNs. Personally, I begrudge
lining the coffers of registries, registrars and ICANN, while the underlying
problem remains unresolved. <br>
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<br><font size=2 face="sans-serif">I would prefer to look at prevention
rather than cures, so that sufficient deterrents are in place to minimise
the opportunities of abuse and infringements in the first place. Realistically,
this will not be a single solution but a multiple set of policies and tools,
not all of which may sit neatly within ICANN's remit. </font>
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<td><font size=1 face="sans-serif">Re: [bc-gnso] Finding Common Ground
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I know that in our firm it is not really the $7 registration fees which
are the issue, even though x hundreds of registrations it adds up. The
more serious cost is the tens of thousands of dollars in lost time while
people sort these things out (usually in the legal department, an expensive
resource), without even getting into the thousands more occasionally required
for a UDRP or for the legal threats and wrangling preceding one. It is
this lost time and trouble which I believe most people find the most aggravating
and wasteful, moreso than the registration fees per se, and regarding which
the thought of mutiplying it xfold for new TLDs is anathema. <br>
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It sound like you are applying your creative juices in the right direction,
if you can develop a method which fairly preserves the (bonafide) rights
of TMholders with minimal hassle, then you may well significantly lessen
the reflexive antagonism re new TLDs. <br>
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cheers/Rick<br>
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Rick Anderson<br>
EVP, InterBorder Holdings Ltd<br>
email: randerson@interborder.ca<br>
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From: owner-bc-gnso@icann.org <owner-bc-gnso@icann.org><br>
To: BC gnso <bc-gnso@icann.org><br>
Sent: Mon Jul 06 23:03:03 2009<br>
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] Finding Common Ground Between Markholders and Legitimate
Domain Registrants<br>
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Hi Rick,<br>
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Rick Anderson wrote:<br>
> What I see wrong in this notion - at least as described here - is
that it probably encourages tasting, squatting, speculation as much as
it assists TMholders. The unintended effect of subsidizing these
activities is not a great plan.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the feedback. One method to refine the concept further is<br>
to truly limit things to defensive registrations (as opposed to<br>
speculative registrations at lower cost) through a link to an active<br>
"base" domain name (one that does resolve). For example, the
domain<br>
typo generator at DomainTools.com spits out a number of matches for<br>
"Verizon":<br>
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</font></tt><a href="http://www.domaintools.com/domain-typo/?q=verizon&mode=reg&status=b&rules%5B%5D=qwerty&rules%5B%5D=swap&rules%5B%5D=sticky&rules%5B%5D=look"><tt><font size=2>http://www.domaintools.com/domain-typo/?q=verizon&mode=reg&status=b&rules%5B%5D=qwerty&rules%5B%5D=swap&rules%5B%5D=sticky&rules%5B%5D=look</font></tt></a><tt><font size=2><br>
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Let's say that the "base" domain name is declared to be Verizon.com.<br>
Then if Verizon wanted to own verizoln.com or verizom.com, but the<br>
traffic from those domains wasn't worth $7/yr to Verizon (i.e. it<br>
doesn't "pay" for them resolve), they could pay say $3/yr to
register<br>
them but have no nameservers, at the same time linking it to<br>
Verizon.com. They could do the same for domains in other TLDs,<br>
declaring them "defensive registrations" that all link to one
base<br>
domain that does resolve.<br>
<br>
One could develop an algorithm to test whether a domain that is<br>
declared as "defensive" is similar enough to that base domain
name to<br>
qualify (e.g. a certain number of common characters, common typos like<br>
wwwdomain.com, etc.). An algorithm probably wouldn't capture 100% of<br>
defensive registrations, but it could probably reduce costs for a<br>
healthy fraction of them.<br>
<br>
There could also be a function to list all defensive registrations<br>
(with no nameservers) for a given base domain, to make abusers easier<br>
to bring to justice. For example, let's say someone other than Disney<br>
did own wwwdisney.com and used that as their active "base" domain
for<br>
speculative but low traffic domains (which didn't generate $7/yr worth<br>
of traffic) such as wwwdisney.org. A markholder would be able to more<br>
easily capture the entire set of typos that didn't resolve (and thus<br>
were registered under the lower cost system) in one action because of<br>
that linkage.<br>
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> As well, what actually makes sense with these secondary TM registrations
is to point them at the primary site (rather than to leave them to non-resolve).
That's a better user experience, and if the holder has to go to the
effort of registering them (a bigger cost really than the reg cost), whatever
traffic they may generate may as well find its destination.<br>
<br>
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If the domain doesn't generate $7/yr<br>
worth of traffic, a markholder might still keep the domain registered<br>
in order to avoid facing the UDRP and legal costs of $5,000+ if the<br>
domain is abused by someone else. If these marginal names could face<br>
lower carrying costs (say $3/yr instead of $7/yr), that cost savings<br>
could be dramatic, thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars per<br>
year.<br>
<br>
Registry operators might not be happy by the loss of "fully priced"<br>
defensive registration fees that they're used to currently, but that's<br>
not a suitable business model to begin with. Depending on the<br>
elasticity of demand, ironically registries might even actually<br>
increase the number and total revenues from defensive registrations,<br>
as the lower price for domains deemed "defensive" would actually<br>
increase the total number registered and possibly the total<br>
profitability for the registry.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
<br>
George Kirikos<br>
416-588-0269<br>
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