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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Liz, I generally agree with you. I think this is a good
idea to pursue with the OSC team and new Council that will devise Rules in this
area.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>548 Market Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>San Francisco, CA 94104<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://service.ringcentral.com/ringme/callback.asp?mbid=57178438,0,&referer=http://rodenbaugh.com/contact">(415)
738-8087</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://rodenbaugh.com/">http://rodenbaugh.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Liz Williams
[mailto:lizawilliams@mac.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 24, 2009 9:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> mike@rodenbaugh.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BC gnso<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] FW: [council] Confirmation of new practice at
face to face open council meetings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>It's helpful to be flexible in these situations and I think
that the "system" needs to incorporate Issue Managers on a
predictable and normal basis. People who work in Working Groups and
Taskforces become natural experts and need a formalised platform to share their
work. That is a good development which does not preclude Councillors
doing their job on Council. It helps them in working group situations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This isn't the UN or APEC TEL or the OECD -- that's where we
would worry about scalability. It is small numbers of people working a
wide range of complex issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Limiting the "table" to Councillors and Issues
Managers is a mid way point between having the open slather which is currently
the case and Councillors only. I'd suggest that the BC is in a position
to be the leader here and that we should talk about the best way forward for
working sessions tonight.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Best wishes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Liz<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 25 Oct 2009, at 03:48, Mike Rodenbaugh wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Liz,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I appreciate the thinking here, but still believe it is not
scalable. It is clearly appropriate for any Councilor to allow anyone
else to speak on their or their Constituency’s behalf during a Council meeting
for a limited time or purpose. Councilors can also raise comments or
questions posed by others, of course. Just like I can forward an email
from any constituent to the Council email list. Input from members is
ALWAYS welcome, it just ought not be input directly to Council for many hopefully
obvious reasons.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I will not be responding further to the recent email from Mike
Palage or Ron Andruff on this topic, as sufficient response is contained in my
prior email to this List, today and previously. Namely, Michael Palage’s
‘conflict of interest’ allegation was earlier raised by George Kirikos, and I
consider it frivolous for the reasons stated during that interchange,
particularly that any purported conflict was fully disclosed long before my
last election, and has no impact on my efforts on behalf of the BC.
The email from Ron also overlooks the fact that I have been elected to
represent the BC on Council. While I appreciate the desire to always
speak one’s mind openly at Council meetings, the Council appears nearly unanimous
that this privilege is not scalable, not fair, has caused detriment to the
efficiency and output of the Council, and therefore has been discontinued.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>548 Market Street</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>San Francisco, CA 94104</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://service.ringcentral.com/ringme/callback.asp?mbid=57178438,0,&referer=http://rodenbaugh.com/contact">(415)
738-8087</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://rodenbaugh.com/">http://rodenbaugh.com</a></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Liz
Williams [<a href="mailto:lizawilliams@mac.com">mailto:lizawilliams@mac.com</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, October
24, 2009 8:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [bc-gnso] FW:
[council] Confirmation of new practice at face to face open council meetings</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hello Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I'm sympathetic to the issues
you've raised particularly as the weekend sessions are really working drafting
sessions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I've had some experience of this
in other environments and would like to suggest a middle ground which may help
over-worked Councillors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>We have proposed an Issue
Manager/Rapporteur system in the new Charter and I suggest that anyone who
volunteers to do work on issues (whatever they are) ought to be at the table as
well. This helps new members/volunteers become experienced at dealing
with a wide range of issues in great detail. It is also a supportive
position for the Councillors. It spreads the work around and also
maximises the use of different skills in the group (for example, some are
better on technical issues than legal drafting or intellectual property or
competition).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>For example, it would probably
work something like (and I'll use me as a hypothetical) this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>1. Councillors are at the
table supported by me (the Issue Manager) on ABC issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>2. Issue Manager is
responsible for the scribing/writing/presentation of materials.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>3. Councillors are there to
link different issues and positions together and take that to Council.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>This strengthens our work with
diverse voices and volunteers taking responsibility who are
"rewarded" with a seat the table.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Best wishes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Liz<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On 25 Oct 2009, at 01:18, Mike
Rodenbaugh wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Optima","serif";color:black'>Fyi below from the Council Chair, in
response to the attached email string<br>
begun by me, and subsequent discussion of Council this morning. I have
had<br>
these very strong feelings for a long time now, and various less formal<br>
efforts to remedy the situation have not been effective. <br>
<br>
The Council appears nearly unanimous in support of the concept that<br>
Councilors should be given every opportunity to speak at Council meetings,<br>
and any public comment periods within the weekend meetings will be<br>
structured more as they are in the large public Council meetings held on<br>
Wednesday of the ICANN meetings. This is an effort to make Council more<br>
efficient, and to allow Councilors to do their jobs without constant<br>
interruptions from non-representative individuals. Of course, there are<br>
many other opportunities for such individuals to voice their comments and<br>
questions through the GNSO's bottom-up, open and transparent policy<br>
development practices, including the BC's internal practices.<br>
<br>
Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
RODENBAUGH LAW<br>
548 Market Street<br>
San Francisco, CA 94104<br>
(415) 738-8087<br>
<a href="http://rodenbaugh.com">http://rodenbaugh.com</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]
On<br>
Behalf Of Avri Doria<br>
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2009 5:37 PM<br>
To: Council GNSO<br>
Subject: [council] Confirmation of new practice at face to face open council<br>
meetings<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi.<br>
<br>
After this mornings meeting I wanted to confirm several actions that I took<br>
away from the meeting:<br>
<br>
1. the seats at the table for open council meetings will be reserved for<br>
council members, liaisons and relevant staff. Chair, vice-chair<br>
(s) and staff will request that others take the observers seats. For
future<br>
meetings name placards will be requested to those to be seated at the table.<br>
<br>
2. the observers will be requested to queue at the microphones, and the<br>
chair will be responsible for giving them the floor at appropriate points,<br>
though precedence for speaking will be given to those around the table.<br>
<br>
3. any further changes to the practices at open meetings will be discussed<br>
by the new council at its discretion.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if I have misinterpreted the will of that meeting.<br>
<br>
a.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>From:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>"Gomes,
Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Date:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>24
October 2009 23:50:08 BST</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>To:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span></b><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><<a
href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>>, "GNSO
Council" <<a href="mailto:council@gnso.icann.org">council@gnso.icann.org</a>></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black'>Subject:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE:
[council] End of the Shadow Council</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;
font-family:"Optima","serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Thanks Mike. Maybe we will have time to discuss this in our
breakfast meeting.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Optima","serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Chuck</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Optima","serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Optima","serif";color:black'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, October
24, 2009 5:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>GNSO Council<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [council] End
of the Shadow Council</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Hi Chuck,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>This is not a
policy development issue, but instead is administrative. I have twice been
elected to represent the BC in Council administrative matters.
Specifically per our Charter section 4.1<span class=apple-style-span>, “[t]</span></span><span
style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray'>he representatives will act
in the GNSO Council as representatives of and spokespersons for the
Constituency and will collaborate with other members of the Council in pursuit
of the mission of the Constituency.”</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I am only trying to discontinue an unwarranted privilege by which
unrepresentative persons increasingly usurp the role of representative
Councilors and Liaisons, and which unduly takes time from the entire Council
and Staff.</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Do you have any reasoned argument against this?</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thanks,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Mike</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>548 Market Street</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>San Francisco, CA 94104</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://service.ringcentral.com/ringme/callback.asp?mbid=57178438,0,&referer=http://rodenbaugh.com/contact"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>(415) 738-8087</span></a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:13.5pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://rodenbaugh.com/"><span style='color:#1F497D'>http://rodenbaugh.com</span></a></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;line-height:13.5pt'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Gomes,
Chuck [<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">mailto:cgomes@verisign.com</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, October
24, 2009 2:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a
href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>; GNSO Council<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>RE: [council] End
of the Shadow Council</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Mike,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Is this a CBUC request?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Chuck</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;
margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='color:black'>
<hr size=2 width="100%" align=center>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a><span
class=apple-converted-space> </span>[<a
href="mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org">mailto:owner-council@gnso.icann.org</a>]<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Mike Rodenbaugh<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Saturday, October
24, 2009 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>GNSO Council<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>[council] End of
the Shadow Council</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Dear Colleagues,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>I write again regarding the so-called “Observers” at face-to-face
GNSO Council meetings. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Of course, I fully support that our face-to-face meetings are generally
always open to true observers, both those present and located remotely.
And I fully support that all of our meetings are generally fully recorded and
transcribed. Indeed I think they should be translated, and that our
conference calls be opened in real time to the public, with non-speaking
access. I fully support that our email list is open and archived.
All of this allows the public to see how the Council operates in practically
real-time, and to experience the information and debate first-hand.
Council must have flexibility to close its sessions and/or communicate
privately, when it deems necessary for any stated and agreed reason. But
I believe that has never happened to date, and of course the default must be
open meetings and open communications.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>However, the growing trend is for GNSO “Observers” to participate
in the Council’s weekend face-to-face meetings on equal footing with
Councilors, Liasons and Staff. A small and growing group of privileged
observers, none of whom are elected or appointed to represent anyone but
themselves and/or their specific organizations, are increasingly taking an
inordinate amount of Council and Staff time. In effect, they are a
“Shadow Council” that follows the Council from meeting to meeting, taking advantage
of a privilege they ought not have. This must stop, effective
immediately. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>It is not scalable as the community of interested observers grows
and diversifies. It is not fair in any way: </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div style='margin-left:.75in'>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:black'>n</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:black'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Not fair
to Councilors and Liasons who offer great personal sacrifice to travel long
distances away from their lives, volunteering an overly full weekend in advance
of a lengthy five-day meeting. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div style='margin-left:.75in'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:black'>n</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:black'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Not
fair to the constituents who elected or appointed the Councilors and Liasons,
expecting that they (and only they) would serve as those constituents’
representatives on Council. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div style='margin-left:.5in'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:black'>n</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:black'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Not
fair to the general public whose only opportunities for input to Council are
via the Constituencies, Working Groups or public comment periods.
Particularly not fair to the general public that does not speak English, or who
cannot attend the sessions, as they have no equal ability to participate vis a
vis the “Shadow Council”.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style='margin-left:.5in'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div style='margin-left:.75in'>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:-.25in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;color:black'>n</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;
color:black'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Not
fair to the Staff nor the Council as a whole, whose only opportunity to
communicate face-to-face is during these meetings.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>The GNSO Council is a representative body. The
representative Councilors and designated Liaisons must be allowed to do their
jobs, which absolutely requires face-to-face interaction with Staff and with
each other -- without constant ‘clarifying questions’, ‘points of order’,
comments or questions from the public. To my knowledge, no
other SO, nor the GAC nor the Board – nor any other council, committee or board
anywhere in the world -- ever allow such privilege to observers. Such
points should be raised through Council representatives, or during any or all
of the many opportunities for public comment into the Council processes.
Indeed this is the reason-for-being of the Constituencies themselves, of
Working Groups, of public comment periods in general, and of the public comment
periods allowed at the Council’s face-to-face meetings (which can also be used
in our weekend sessions, if time allows).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Therefore, beginning with the newTLD session today, I request that
observers be disallowed equal access to the Council table and microphones, just
as they are disallowed such access at our larger public meetings and in our
conference calls. The material presented by Staff in the session today
will doubtless be repeated during a public session later in the week, which is
a perfect opportunity for anyone to ask their questions or make their points
directly to the Staff, without wasting tremendously valuable and scarce
face-to-face Council/Staff time. As we have seen, too many people are
abusing the privilege of open access to raise points that they then raise again
and again at every opportunity throughout the ICANN meeting, and/or to
communicate their particular, non-representative interests. They are
abusing a privilege that they should not have in the first place, because it is
not fair.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Does anyone have an argument as to why the current privilege
should be allowed to continue? Is anyone aware of any other council,
board or committee, anywhere in the world, that allows such a privilege to
observers?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>Otherwise, I hope the privilege will be discontinued immediately,
and request Avri to confirm via reply to this list. If not, my next
effort to stop this will be an Ombudsman complaint, on behalf of the entire
community, so that this practice is investigated by a neutral party and
discussed formally at the Council and/or Board level(s). I also request
that the relevant OSC team discuss this and recommend appropriate provisions in
our Council Rules of Procedure to ensure that nobody is given undue and
disruptive access to Council, Liaisons and Staff during our meetings. </span><span
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color:black'>Each and every member of the community – other than the “Shadow
Councilors” and their specific organizations -- suffer from the continuation of
this unwarranted and unseemly privilege that offered to just a few, at the
expense of the many.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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href="http://service.ringcentral.com/ringme/callback.asp?mbid=57178438,0,&referer=http://rodenbaugh.com/contact">(415)
738-8087</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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