<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">i'm with Sarah on this.<div><br></div><div>let's get rid of the solidarity language and the privacy language if we can.</div><div><br></div><div>and, if we can't, let's resolve to take this up in "Charter II, The Sequel" an entertainment event coming to theaters near you as soon as we have a new executive committee in place. :-)</div><div><br></div><div>mikey</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 26, 2009, at 3:42 PM, Deutsch, Sarah B wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; "><div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009">I concur that the idea of a one year term should be given serious consideration. The IPC has followed this model and it works well.</span></font></div><span class="068491720-26102009"><div dir="ltr" align="left"><br><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009">I see that the</span> <span class="068491720-26102009">overly broad</span> "solidarity" language<span class="068491720-26102009"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>still</span> remains in<span class="068491720-26102009"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>the draft. Despite suggestions to try to figure how how more accurately the language to situations where members are speaking publicly to the ICANN community, the language remains unchanged. As Marilyn notes correctly below, instead of drafting solidarity language that actually explains what the problem is and how to implement it in a narrow manner, the draft goes in the opposite direction by allowing executive committee members a carve out from BC positions when they speak in their personal capacity. If anyone has an obligation to adhere to the "solidarity" principle without the opportunity to give mixed messages publicly or privately, it should be executive committee members.</span></font></font></div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009"></span></font></font> </div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009">Finally, I note that the troubling privacy language remains in the draft unchanged. No one has answered the fundamental question of whether ordinary BC members will be gaining access to personally identifiable or sensitive personal information (and what information that is) and how ordinary BC members are allegedly "processing" such information. Other BC members can weigh in, but we do not want to have any access to sensitive personal information as part of our BC membership.<span> As mentioned earlier, requiring compliance with</span>"prevailing privacy laws" is meaningless since such laws differ signficantly depending on jurisdiction. At a minimum ONLY the Secretariat and Exec Committee Members should be subject to this language assuming they may have access to sensitive personal information.</span></font></font></div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009"></span></font></font><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009"></span></font></font> </div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009"></span></font></font> </div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><span class="068491720-26102009">Sarah</span></font></font></div><div align="left"><br><font color="#000080"><font face="Arial">Sarah B. Deutsch<br>Vice President & Associate General Counsel<br>Verizon Communications<br>Phone: 703-351-3044<br>Fax: 703-351-3670<br><a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a><o:p></o:p></font></font></div><div> </div><br><div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"><hr tabindex="-1"><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marilyn Cade<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, October 26, 2009 1:25 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Philip Sheppard; bc - GNSO list<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: [bc-gnso] BC charter v19<br></font><br></div><div></div><br>Philip, thanks.<br>a few initial comments, and then I'll read through again and flag any areas for the BC members of concern to me.<br> <br>I appreciate that you have now been able to incorporate some of my comments in this version.<br>However, I had asked to have a specially designated elected member as the primary CSG rep, and I'd like that added into the list of elected positions. There seems clear merit to distributing work, and avoiding conflicts of interests by putting too many roles into a single party, or small number of individuals. Spreading work, makes lighter work loads, as we all know. It does mean that coordination are important, of course.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>A change that I feel strongly about is that the officers should have only one year terms, with a term limit of no more than three yaers. That is what the IPC does, and it seems prudent to move to one year terms.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>In 4.8, we need to make the description consistent within the body of the section to secretariat services, rather than continue to use the term "Secretariat", since the members haven't supported a continuation of a retained position, and the approach being proposed will allow flexibility to either use contracted services or services from ICANN.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>I see that this now proposes that executive committee members need not adhere to the BC position. This goes too far. If one is an elected officer, then one has a duty to adhere to the BC position. Can we discuss when you would envision an executive committee member 'acting in their individual capacity'? That might clear up the confusion for me on that one.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>I see that this charter is continuing to propose a list administrator. I'm not sure that is a separate function from 'secretariat services'. We want to avoid creating someone who is the 'email police', who has to make judgements about other members communications; I don't see that function in other constituencies -- and suggest that we simply have principled approaches to efficient communications.<br> <br>We can briefly discuss the CSG representative at the huddle this p.m.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <br>Marilyn<br> <br><br><br> <br>> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:27:20 +0100<br>> Subject: [bc-gnso] BC charter v19<br>> From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:philip.sheppard@aim.be">philip.sheppard@aim.be</a><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I attach the latest version for discussion.<br>> I believe we are nearly there.<br>> It factors in the majority of clarifying redrafts that have been suggested<br>> with the exception of redrafts that replaced current charter text that was<br>> to date unaltered.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I will pull out those few remaining bigger changes that have been proposed<br>> for discussion at the BC meeting in Seoul.<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Philip<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></span></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div apple-content-edited="true"> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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