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<br>Zahid, just one clarification. Otherwise fully agree.<div><br></div><div>We agreed, i think, that the members that we had to reach an agreement within the members who were in the room, and based on the emails that were being posted to the list. <div><br></div><div>That's the going in position, right? We all realize that we are relying upon the earlier BC positions, but modified by the evolving situation, right? and realizing that we had to try to reach a 'rough' consensus within the meeting. </div><div><br></div><div><br><br><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">From: zahid@dndrc.com<br>To: michael@palage.com; bc-gnso@icann.org<br>Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] FW: STI-DT -- BC preliminary position statements<br>Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:35:13 +0900<br><br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:#1F497D">Thanks for the query Michael,<span style="">
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:#1F497D">The BC meeting yesterday led to member’s developing a position.<span style=""> </span>I would suggest that it is up to our membership
which (minus one member) agreed to proposals that were discussed in the constructive
session moderated by Mike R.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Zahid,</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Is it really constructive to advocate positions that go above and beyond
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span></p>
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[mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zahid Jamil<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'BC gnso'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [bc-gnso] FW: STI-DT -- BC preliminary position statements</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman','serif';color:#1F497D">Will be sending out a draft of our position on the STI.
Here’s something helpful Mike R put together.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 26, 2009 11:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Zahid Jamil'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Philip Sheppard'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> STI-DT -- BC preliminary position statements</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Note the
attendance at the meeting (Philip has it).</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">TMC
-- sunrise processes must be standard AND mandatory IP claims,
POST-launch – unanimous except Palage -- scope of what triggers a hit,
proposal is vague as to ‘yahoo’, or ‘yahoomail’ or ‘yaho0’ or ‘yahhoo’??
We require notice if TM string is replicated anywhere in the domain name that
is applied for (except Palage). TM owners can elect how widely the
notices would be sent, either to exact matches anywhere in the name, or also
algorithmic typos. Domain applicant MUST affirmatively respond to the
notice, either on screen or email. TM owner must get notice of every
registration that occurs.</span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">URS –
mandatory in all newTLD registries (unanimous except for ICA, who thinks in
effect it will be adopted by everyone anyway); substantive standard of UDRP
must be exactly replicated in URS; procedural elements and evidentiary
threshold of Staff proposal; sanctions for complainant abuse (abuse defined
same as Reverse Domain Name Hijacking under UDRP); meaningful appeal process
required, Staff hasn’t made any proposal on that yet, so we cannot
comment. Successful complainant must have option to transfer the name or
cancel, if no appeal filed within 90 days from date of URS decision. Some
members also would support an indefinite suspension, recorded in clearinghouse
so that if anyone seeks to register again, they would get a notice.</span></p>
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VRZN, Nokia, NetChoice & Marilyn think it should still be on the table, but
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