<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello everyone<div><br></div><div>I agree with Mikey -- there is more nuance here and we certainly don't want to be making long term structural changes without rigourous understanding.</div><div><br></div><div>I suggested in the public forum today that, given that ownership arrangements are part of registry/registrar contracts and that those conditions are within the purview of the PDP process, that we should recommend a proper policy development exercise.</div><div><br></div><div>If we did it right, we would hear all points of view, have additional information from experts AND reach a set of recommendations to advise the Board.</div><div><br></div><div>Liz<br><div><div>On 29 Oct 2009, at 02:56, Mike O'Connor wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">um...<div><br></div><div>i think there's more nuance there.</div><div><br></div><div>the reason i started registering domain names in 1993 was because i wanted my own email domain. i tried to get oconnor.com but it was taken. so i settled for haven.com instead.</div><div><br></div><div>many years later, i finally got my name in a domain name -- oconnor.pro. so i'm an example of a guy who hand-registered a name in a new gTLD that i couldn't get in an existing one. unfortunately, right after i got that name, i accidentally sold that first domain (haven.com) for a boatload of money and wound up retiring from the ".pro" world. life's funny that way...</div><div><br></div><div>sure, there's money to be made in premium name auctions and monitization. but a LOT of people will ALSO be able to get names that they can't get otherwise. there's room for both, methinks. i truly don't think the actors in this drama are evil, they're just approaching the problem from a different point of view. the conversation that's visible by email during the Seoul meeting convinces me that we're getting better at seeing those different points of view and coming to constructive agreements that can meet the needs of all. we're not great at it yet, but we're getting better. let's keep working on that.</div><div><br></div><div>mikey</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Steve DelBianco wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div> <font size="4"><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">(for those of you not here in Seoul)<br> Below is what I said (not on behalf of BC) today at the Public Forum, regarding Rr/Ry separation.<br> </span></font><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br> </span></font></font><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10pt">I Listened to debate over separation. inconclusive (both sides passionate and articulate)<br> </span></font><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10pt">But I did learn about motivations for Registrars wanting to run Registries<br> <br> I learned about innovative methods for monetizing premium names.<br> </span></font></blockquote><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10pt"><br> What I learned tells me ICANN should reset public expectations about benefits of new TLDs. <br> </span></font><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10pt">Let’s start being more transparent about the way names will and won’t be available to the public. <br> <br> Let’s limit disappointment when TLDs launch. <br> <br> And let’s make it less likely that the review team on Competition , Consumer Trust, and Choice will give ICANN a failing grade.<br> </span></font></blockquote><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10pt"><br> For years, the <u>Rhetoric</u> of expectations has been: we need new TLDs to give registrants all those “good names that are unavailable in current TLDs. <br> That’s the rhetoric. What’s the reality?<br> </span></font><blockquote type="cite"><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10pt"><u>Reality 1</u>: new gTLD applicants will maximize profits on premium names, whether by selling them at diff prices, or by having an affiliate park the domain with advertising. That name is never going be available to a registrant that wants to use it for content or commerce.<br> <br> <u>Reality 2</u>: will see Innovative ways to identify and control premium names at launch, and then afterwards, when words and phrases suddenly <u>acquire</u> premium value ( h1n1.whatever)<br> </span></font></blockquote><font face="Optima, Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:10pt"><br> There’s Nothing illegal about that, and new Ry contracts allow uncapped and variable premium pricing. 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