<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Hey, recall at the end of Mikey's presentation about the smoke/fire point of inflection and he said "one." I did not have the time to follow up.</div><div><br></div><div>John Berard</div><div>Founder</div><div>Credible Context</div><div>58 West Portal Avenue, #291</div><div>San Francisco, CA 94127</div><div>m: 415.845.4388</div><div><br><br></div>
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Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices<br>
From: "Chris Chaplow" <<a href="mailto:chris@andalucia.com">chris@andalucia.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, March 15, 2012 10:31 am<br>
To: <<a href="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com">john@crediblecontext.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>><br>
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</style><div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">John,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">One source?? <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">Lately the pattern has been quite constant ie an email from CN or HK similar to the one below.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US">In the past I have known phone calls to business from the UK. One client asked me to return a call to the sales person on their behalf to ascertain if it was a valid concern. The sales person was very very well trained and the only ‘flaw’ in their sales argument that they were acting in the interest of my client the was insistence of the need to register for 10 years. <o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"> best<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A">Chris Chaplow</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><br></span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A">Managing Director</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><br></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><a href="http://Andalucia.com">Andalucia.com</a> S.L.</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Avenida</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> del Carmen 9<br>Ed. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Puertosol</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">, Puerto </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Deportivo</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>1ª </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Planta</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">, </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Oficina</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> 30<br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Estepona</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">, 29680<br>Malaga, Spain<br></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Tel: + (34) 952 897 865</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br></span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Fax: + (34) 952 897 874</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">E-mail: </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a target="_blank" href="mailto:chris@andalucia.com"><b><u><span style="color:blue">chris@andalucia.com</span></u></b></a></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br></span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Web: </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.andalucia.com/"><b><u><span style="color:blue">www.andalucia.com</span></u></b></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B850A">Information about Andalucia, Spain.</span></b><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com">john@crediblecontext.com</a> [<a href="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com">mailto:john@crediblecontext.com</a>] <br><b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 15 de marzo de 2012 17:41<br><b>Para:</b> Chris Chaplow; <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br><b>Asunto:</b> RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Chris,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">In his presentation yesterday to the GNSO Council, Mikey O'Connor, lead on the Fake Renewal Notices drafting team said they sought to determine if there were "smoke or fire and we found fire." But he also said the problem was one source. <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Is this your experience, too?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Berard<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" id="replyBlockquote"><div id="wmQuoteWrapper"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices<br>From: "Chris Chaplow" <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:chris@andalucia.com"><span style="color:windowtext">chris@andalucia.com</span></a>><br>Date: Thu, March 15, 2012 3:17 am<br>To: <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext">bc-gnso@icann.org</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">John, Marin, Sarah<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">Client contacted me today again about an URGENT communication they just received</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">I have replaced the actual client’ domain name with ‘name’ as this is a public list.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US">(It's very urgent, Please transfer this email to your CEO or appropriate person, Thanks) <br> <br>Dear CEO/Principal,<br> <br>This is Neil Dong---Senior Consultant of domain name registration and solution center in china. have something to confirm with you. We formally received an application on March 15th, 2012, one company which self-styled "Cakebake Investments co.,Ltd" were applying to register " name " as Network Brand and following domain names: </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US"> <br>"<br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.jp"><u><span style="color:blue">name.jp</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.com.my"><u><span style="color:blue">name.com.my</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.sg"><u><span style="color:blue">name.sg</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.com.sg"><u><span style="color:blue">name.com.sg</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.kr"><u><span style="color:blue">name.kr</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.co.kr"><u><span style="color:blue">name.co.kr</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.ae"><u><span style="color:blue">name.ae</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.vn"><u><span style="color:blue">name.vn</span></u></a> <br><a target="_blank" href="http://name.com.vn"><u><span style="color:blue">name.com.vn</span></u></a>"</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US"><br>After our initial checking, we found that the brand name applied for registration are as same as your company</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US">’</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US">s name and brand, so we need to check with you whether your company has authorized that company to register these names. If you authorized this, we will finish the registration at once. If your company has no relationships with that company nor do not authorized, please reply to us within 7 workdays,if we can't get any information from yours over 7 workdays, we will unconditionally approve the application submitted by "Cakebake Investments co.,Ltd" .<br>Thanks for your cooperation. </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US"> <br>Best Regards,</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US">Neil Dong (Mr.) </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003366" lang="EN-US">Senior Consultant Manager </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A">Chris Chaplow<br>Managing Director</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B710A"><br><b><a target="_blank" href="http://Andalucia.com"><u><span style="color:blue">Andalucia.com</span></u></a> S.L.</b></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><br>Avenida del Carmen 9<br>Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo<br>1ª Planta, Oficina 30<br>Estepona, 29680<br>Malaga, Spain<br><b>Tel: + (34) 952 897 865<br>Fax: + (34) 952 897 874<br></b>E-mail: <a href="mailto:chris@andalucia.com" target="_blank"><b><u><span style="color:blue">chris@andalucia.com</span></u></b></a><b><br></b>Web: <a href="http://www.andalucia.com/" target="_blank"><b><u><span style="color:blue">www.andalucia.com</span></u></b></a><br></span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#0B850A">Information about Andalucia, Spain.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To</span></em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Subject</span></em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From</span></em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">: martinsutton@xxxxxxxx</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white"><em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date</span></em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:50:11 +0000</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><hr style="color:black" noshade="noshade" size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black" lang="EN-US">John,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></div><divre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">My experience is similar, although I have not captured the metrics. I </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">often receive (third-hand via tech/admin email addresses) slamming emails, </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">rather than fake renewal notices, suggesting that domains are about to be </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">registered which include my brand, offering me an opportunity to jump-in </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">and claim it, along with a bunch of others.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Kind regards,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Martin</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Martin C SUTTON </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Group Risk </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Manager, Group Fraud Risk and Intelligence | HSBC HOLDINGS PLC HGHQ</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Group Security & Fraud Risk</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">8 Canada Square,Canary Wharf,London,E14 5HQ,United Kingdom</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">________________________________________________________________</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Phone. <span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhtextspan">+44 (0)20 7991 8074</span><span class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span> / 7991 8074</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Mobile. <span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhtextspan">+44 (0) 7774556680</span><span class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Email. martinsutton@xxxxxxxx</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">________________________________________________________________</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">To:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">"Deutsch, Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Chris Chaplow'" </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" <bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Date:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">14/03/2012 17:40</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Subject:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sent by:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sarah,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Any sense if the 25 a year you get is more, less or about the same as </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">other similar-sized and positioned companies?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Berard</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">-------- Original Message --------</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From: "Deutsch, Sarah B" <sarah.b.deutsch@xxxxxxxxxxx></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Date: Wed, March 14, 2012 8:36 am</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">To: "'Chris Chaplow'" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx"</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">John, Zahid:<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The attached chart may be helpful for you as you discuss the fake renewal </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">issue. This chart documents the many fake renewal/registration claims we </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">have received inside Verizon. Most come from companies located in China </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">or Hong Kong. We?ve sent a cease and desist letter to each, written to </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">the Hong Kong Telecom Authority and the FTC, all to no avail.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sarah</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sarah B. Deutsch </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Vice President & Associate General Counsel </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Verizon Communications </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Phone: <span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhtextspan">703-351-3044</span><span class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Fax: 703-351-3670 </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From: owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx [</span><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx" target="_blank"><u><span style="color:blue" lang="EN-US">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</span></u></a></span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">] On Behalf </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Of Chris Chaplow</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:01 PM</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">To: bc-gnso@xxxxxxxxx</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Subject: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">John and Zahid,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I probably will not be at the Council tomorrow. Here is the issue that </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">steve mentioned.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I have website client who get fake renewal notices. Or phone calls.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">?We have a client who wants to register <a target="_blank" href="http://name.cn"><u><span style="color:blue">name.cn</span></u></a> and as you have </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://name.com"><u><span style="color:blue">name.com</span></u></a> and as we are a responsible registrar (actually not accredited) </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">we wanted to check with you first before accepting our client?s order. Do </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">you want to register for 10 years of $$$ ??</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I advise my clients it is a scam, but just to be on the safe side they </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">usually instructs me to make a defensive registration and I do so for one </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">year with another registrar. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Best </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Chris Chaplow</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Managing Director</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a target="_blank" href="http://Andalucia.com"><u><span style="color:blue">Andalucia.com</span></u></a> S.L.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Avenida del Carmen 9<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Ed. Puertosol, Puerto Deportivo<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">1ª Planta, Oficina 30<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Estepona, 29680<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Malaga, Spain<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Tel: <span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span><span class="skypepnhleftspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartflagspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhdropartspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhtextspan">+ (34) 952 897 865</span><span class="skypepnhrightspan"> </span><span class="skypepnhcontainer"> </span></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Fax: + (34) 952 897 874</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">E-mail: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Web: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.andalucia.com"><u><span style="color:blue">www.andalucia.com</span></u></a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Information about Andalucia, Spain.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">************************************************************</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">HSBC Holdings plc</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Registered Office: 8 Canada Square, London E14 5HQ, United Kingdom</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Registered in England number 617987</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">************************************************************</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">-----------------------------------------</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">SAVE PAPER - THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">This E-mail is confidential. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">It may also be legally privileged. 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The sender does not accept liability for any</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">errors or omissions.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><hr style="color:black" noshade="noshade" size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><ul type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;background:white"><strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">References</span></strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">:</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul><ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo2;background:white"><a target="_blank" name="02540"></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/bc-gnso/msg02540.html" target="_blank"><b><u><span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:blue" lang="EN-US">RE: [bc-gnso] Fake renewal notices</span></u></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><ul type="disc"><ul type="circle"><ul type="square"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level3 lfo2;background:white"><em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></em><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">john</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul></ul><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
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