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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><div>Let's not be afraid of calling for self governance and collaborative multi stakeholder governance.</div><div><br></div><div>That is what ICANN is supposed to be about. </div><div><br></div><div>Self governance in a space that is identified with an industry sector that is regulated [I think] has to include the government, and consumer protection authorities, and someone who represents registrants, and not just be about a registry wanting to control an industry space. </div><div>An entity that wants to have a seal of approval for an industry string should want to have a self governance council of some sort to ensure their own integrity and ability to adhere to what they say they are doing. And to support their distinctiveness. </div><div><br></div><div>Kids /Children is also an area where there is legitimate concern about a 'clean and safe' space. </div><div>I am sure that those legitimate companies who market children's goods don't want to have child luring going on in an adjacent domain name that looks confusingly similar to theirs.:-) </div><div><br></div><div>The BC can call for innovation by the applicants and offer some ideas about self governance, but our comments can't just be suggesting that it is okay to be industry insiders in such an advisory group. It needs to include consumer activists, and government, and be inclusive and representative. Yes, that is a potential cost, but frankly, any applicant that wanted to operate an industry string should have already done this. The fact they haven't is distressing, </div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps some have, and we just haven't learned of it. </div><div><br></div><div>Example of iffor: </div><div>I don't see the need to over identify with .xxx but actually, also PIR has an advisory council [or something similar. Let's go for a couple of examples. But iffor did a good job. Why not accept that? </div><div><br></div><div>So, two strong points: First, the GAC did its own homework, and we should not criticize the strings that they identified. Originally I didn't get it, so I did a bit on online research. Turns out that Health and Fitnesses gyms are regulated in most countries -- apparently killing people by over exercising them on machines is a bad thing. :-) And food supplements are as well. :-) </div><div>Long list of countries. Including Chile, Argentina, Mexico, S.Africa, Canada, New Zealand, US... etc. </div><div><br></div><div>How about proposing a self governing entity/council/group that includes industry professional associations; NGOs; independent experts; and consumer activists, plus governmental participants, as observer, suitable to the industry, and calling on the applicant to create and support the advisory group? </div><div><br></div><div>PIR and iFFOR are both examples. </div><div><br></div><div>Some country codes also do something similar. </div><div><br></div><div>M</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">To: mike@rodenbaugh.com; Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com; svg@stephanevangelder.com; sdelbianco@netchoice.org<br>CC: bc-gnso@icann.org<br>From: john@crediblecontext.com<br>Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] responding to GAC Advice on new gTLD Safeguards<br>Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:28:59 -0700<br><br><div>I must agree!</div><div><br></div><div>Berard<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="ecxthreadBlockQuote" style="border-left:2px solid #C2C2C2;padding-left:3px;" data-mce-style="border-left: 2px solid #C2C2C2; padding-left: 3px; margin-left: 4px;">--------- Original Message ---------<div>Subject: RE: [bc-gnso] responding to GAC Advice on new gTLD Safeguards<br>From: icann@rodenbaugh.com<br>Date: 5/13/13 11:58 am<br>To: "'Elisa Cooper'" <Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com>, "'Stéphane_Van_Gelder_Consulting'" <svg@stephanevangelder.com>, "'Steve DelBianco'" <sdelbianco@netchoice.org><br>Cc: bc-gnso@icann.org<br><br><div class="ecxWordSection1"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><a class="ecxmceItemAnchor" name="_MailEndCompose" target="_blank"></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Agreed.</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Mike Rodenbaugh</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">RODENBAUGH LAW</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Tel/Fax: +1.415.738.8087</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com" data-mce-href="http://rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0563C1;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #0563c1;">http://rodenbaugh.com</span></a><br data-mce-bogus="1"></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style="border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Elisa Cooper<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, May 13, 2013 11:15 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> Stéphane Van Gelder Consulting; Steve DelBianco<br><strong>Cc:</strong> bc-gnso@icann.org<br><strong>Subject:</strong> RE: [bc-gnso] responding to GAC Advice on new gTLD Safeguards</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">+1</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Best,</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Elisa</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Elisa Cooper</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Director of Product Marketing</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">MarkMonitor</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Elisa Cooper</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">Chair </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">ICANN Business Constituency</span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;">208 389-5779 PH</span></p></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;" data-mce-style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: #1f497d;"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style="border: none; border-top: solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org" data-mce-href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org" data-mce-href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </strong>Stéphane Van Gelder Consulting<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, May 13, 2013 6:48 AM<br><strong>To:</strong> Steve DelBianco<br><strong>Cc:</strong> <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" data-mce-href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [bc-gnso] responding to GAC Advice on new gTLD Safeguards</span></p></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Thanks Steve.</p><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I may not be getting the point you are making, but I would feel it inappropriate for the BC as a group to recommend use of an organisation that is so closely linked with one specific TLD (Dot XXX).</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">I would prefer a more general comment along the lines of "in general, the BC is in favor of industry self-regulation and recommends that for the specific industries outlined in the GAC's advice on safeguards, an appropriate entity be selected to provide guidance to help each industry sector self regulate."</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Just very rough wording, but you get the general idea of my comments I'm sure ;)</p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal">Thanks,</p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;" data-mce-style="font-size: 13.5pt; 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(<a href="http://iffor.org/safeguard" data-mce-href="http://iffor.org/safeguard" target="_blank">link</a>)</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">See Kieren McCarthy's article on CircleID (<a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130510_what_new_gtld_applicants_need_is_a_quick_lightweight_answer_to_gac/" data-mce-href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130510_what_new_gtld_applicants_need_is_a_quick_lightweight_answer_to_gac/" target="_blank">link</a>) note: Kieren serves on IFFOR's Policy Council.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Since we are currently drafting BC comments on GAC advice, it would be helpful to hear BC member feedback on whether we should recommend IFFOR </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">This may have been what Marilyn and Ron were getting at during the last two conference calls.</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">-- </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Steve DelBianco</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Executive Director</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">NetChoice</span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><a href="http://www.NetChoice.org" data-mce-href="http://www.NetChoice.org" target="_blank">http://www.NetChoice.org</a> and <a href="http://blog.netchoice.org" data-mce-href="http://blog.netchoice.org" target="_blank">http://blog.netchoice.org</a> </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">+1.202.420.7482 </span></p></div><div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"> </span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="ecxMsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div> </div></body>
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