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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks MJ. I will lay off the list today, except to say I am not clear that I represent applicants for ‘closed generics’. In absence of a clear definition, I could not be clear about them, and the BC cannot be clear in commenting on them (whatever they are).<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel/Fax: +1.415.738.8087<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0563C1'>http://rodenbaugh.com</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mari Jo Keukelaar<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 8:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> stephvg@gmail.com<br><b>Cc:</b> bc-gnso@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [Bulk] RE: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I, too, found yesterdays dialogue discomforting. Although I do not have anything to do with closed generics, it does seem that the process itself did not foreclose on applying for them. I also see that closed generics do raise issues that closed TM TLDs do not. Yesterdays discussion did nothing to clarify the issues that Mr. Evans, et al were attempting to address in their comments, but did ask an attorney to make full disclosures about clients that, as attorneys themselves, they recognize may be impossible to make. I think Mike was clear that he represents parties applying for closed generics and that he disagreed with the comments being put forth by this group and that he preferred those made by Steve’s original proposition. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I generally do not comment when I do not hold strong positions that have nothing to do with the business I represent. Whenever I have commented, however, the BC has always been highly respectful of my minority opinion. So rest assured, Stephane, that this was a rare event.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com">stephvg@gmail.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 6:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> Ron Andruff<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Due to the difference in timezones, I missed this discussion as it was happening "live" and had the pleasure of catching up at my leisure whilst sipping my morning coffee :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have to admit to being very uncomfortable with the path this discussion seems to be taking. I have the words witch hunt forming in my mind.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My approach is this: I have an implicit trust that anyone… who is keen and engaged enough to take the time to read the emails on this list, take part in the discussions, be active in the BC calls or volunteer for BC work… is operating for the greater good of the BC.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I find any suggestion otherwise worrying. And actually quite discouraging. Does this mean that next time I make a comment that someone doesn't like, then I will also be put on the spot and asked to justify myself from a business point of view? So is it better for me to shut up rather than risk taking abuse?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Those who know me already know that I find it very hard to shut up, so that is hardly likely to happen :), but I do want to go on record here as saying that unless someone proves to me that any member of the BC is acting with ill intent, my base approach is to trust that people have exactly the same take on BC work as me: working for the good of the BC and the defense of the ICANN model which is the governance model that provides me, as a small business owner, with a voice in the Internet's ,naming and address governance discussion.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Stéphane<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Oh, and BTW, I don't work for any closed generics ;)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Le 23 mai 2013 à 23:44, Ron Andruff <<a href="mailto:randruff@rnapartners.com">randruff@rnapartners.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Mike,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>As an observer to this string of debate, it appears to me (and possibly other members) that you are obfuscating. You have been asked on several occasions to declare your interests, but you parry that question with more questions. What is holding you back from being up front with the members and disclosing? Disclosure would, IMHO, lend more credibility to your arguments. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Disclosure should be our first obligation as members of the BC – considering the convoluted nature of our membership today.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Kind regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>RA</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Ronald N. Andruff</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="http://www.rnapartners.com/">RNA Partners, Inc.</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a> [mailto:owner-<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>; <a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>; <a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>; <a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>; <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Oh, and as to a counter-argument to your position, I refer you to the USPTO's disposition of the various .music trademark applications. While not identical, the USPTO's reasoning is very solar to the concerns I have heard from others.<br><br>J. Scott <br><br><br>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div id="_origMsg_"><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a> <<a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>>; <br><b>To: </b><<a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>>; <br><b>Cc: </b><<a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>; <<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>>; <br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs <br><b>Sent: </b>Thu, May 23, 2013 8:20:35 PM </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All of my clients, and my law firm, have business interests much broader than the domain industry.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Who are these people expressing grave concerns? Because I am only hearing competitors to so-called closed generic TLD applicants expressing concerns (including indirectly through their ICANN-connected government reps), with no evidence or any real specifics as to the parade of horribles they seem to envision. And certainly no counter-argument to the points I am raising. Do you or anyone else have any substantive response to any of those points?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel/Fax: +1.415.738.8087</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0563C1'>http://rodenbaugh.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a> [mailto:jscottevans@<a href="http://yahoo.com">yahoo.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 1:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>; <a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>; <a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>; <a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>; <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Mike:<br><br>We appreciate your pov. However, there are many of us in this constituency that have business interests broader than the domain industry. In my discussions with these non-ICANNers, they have voiced grave concerns and want assurances similar to those put forward by Sarah and Laura in the latest draft. Do others gave perspective here?<br><br><br>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div id="_origMsg_"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a> <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>>; <br><b>To: </b>'Laura Covington' <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>>; <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>>; 'Deutsch, Sarah B' <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>>; <br><b>Cc: </b>'Elisa Cooper' <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>; 'Steve DelBianco' <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>; <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>>; <br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs <br><b>Sent: </b>Thu, May 23, 2013 7:21:46 PM </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We went through exercise of trying to define categories like this, in 2006. Then in the Vertical Integration WG. Then again recently in the IPC. It can’t be done, as far as I know.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The GAC didn’t bother to provide a definition either. Making any response problematic as we don’t really know what we are responding to.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel/Fax: +1.415.738.8087</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0563C1'>http://rodenbaugh.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Laura Covington [<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>; <a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>; 'Deutsch, Sarah B'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Elisa Cooper'; 'Steve DelBianco'; <a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hey, Mike, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I'm totally open to considering other definitions/terminology for "closed generics" if you have ideas to propose. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>As to the separate issue of responding to the GAC's advice, participants on the call the other day seemed interested in including – or at least considering - language on closed generics rather than being silent. It seems clear – and understandable - what your point of view is. Anybody else? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Laura</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Laura Covington</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>VP, Intellectual Property Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Yahoo! Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>408.349.5187</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>"<a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br><b>Organization: </b>Rodenbaugh Law<br><b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:13 AM<br><b>To: </b>"Yahoo! Inc." <<a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>>, "'Deutsch, Sarah B'" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>'Elisa Cooper' <<a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>, 'Steve DelBianco' <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It seems that every dictionary word is a ‘pre-existing trademark’ at least insofar as it is registered as such somewhere (e.g. Benelux, in advance of the EU land rush). My examples are all registered at the USPTO. Any of those registrations could be purchased or even be previously registered by any so-called ‘closed generic’ TLD applicant.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Why is it legitimate for Apple to operate .apple to the exclusion of everyone else in the world that may have a legitimate use for a .apple domain name? (Maybe better examples are other new TLD applicants Abbott, Active, AFamilyCompany, Amazon, AmericanFamily… and the list goes on past Apple….) Yet it would not be legitimate for <a href="http://Weather.com">Weather.com</a> to operate .weather that way?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tel/Fax: +1.415.738.8087</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0563C1'>http://rodenbaugh.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Laura Covington [<a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Rodenbaugh; <a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>; Deutsch, Sarah B<br><b>Cc:</b> Elisa Cooper; Steve DelBianco; <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sticking with the definition piece first, doesn't second bullet cover your question? Pre-existing trademark? </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Laura Covington</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>VP, Intellectual Property Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Yahoo! Inc.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>408.349.5187</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:icann@rodenbaugh.com">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:42 AM<br><b>To: </b>"Yahoo! Inc." <<a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>>, "Deutsch, Sarah B" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Elisa Cooper <<a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>, Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Hi Laura,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Then what about all the trademarks that exist for 'generic words'. Not just Apple, but also Sex, Drugs and even Rock 'n Roll (all registered at the USPTO)?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Beyond that, what about the broader notion that closed generic business models are more in the public interest than open copycat business models? The BC is on record with the position that restricted registries are preferred over open registries, because abuse and consumer harm are far less likely.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'>Mike</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Laura Covington <<a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>>; "Deutsch, Sarah B" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> Elisa Cooper <<a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>; Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>; "<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 23, 2013 10:23 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv2128043238><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>I don’t know of any official definition of a closed generic TLD, but perhaps a starting place would be to say that it is a TLD that:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'>Consists of a generic term/phrase which <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'>Is not intended to represent a pre-existing trademark, and<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3;background:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'>The registry operator does not intend to sell/grant/give second level domains to the (general?) public <o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Laura Covington<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>VP, Intellectual Property Policy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Yahoo! Inc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><a href="mailto:lhc@yahoo-inc.com">lhc@yahoo-inc.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>408.349.5187<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>"<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:svg@stephanevangelder.com">svg@stephanevangelder.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:49 AM<br><b>To: </b>"Deutsch, Sarah B" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Elisa Cooper <<a href="mailto:Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com">Elisa.Cooper@markmonitor.com</a>>, Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Thanks Sarah, J. Scott and Laura for this work. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>I am wondering if there is a clear definition of what constitutes a closed generic TLD somewhere?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Failing that, what is to stop the criteria suggested in this text being imposed on, say, a brand that has a term resembling a generic term as its brand name and that would understandably like to operate it for its own exclusive use?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur<br>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING<br><br>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Skype: SVANGELDER<br></span><a href="http://www.stephanevangelder.com/" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.StephaneVanGelder.com</span></a><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----------------<br>Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: </span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>LinkedIn: </span><a name=webProfileURL></a><a href="http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/" target="_blank" title="View public profile"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'>Le 22 mai 2013 à 22:58, "Deutsch, Sarah B" <<a href="mailto:sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com">sarah.b.deutsch@verizon.com</a>> a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>To follow up on our BC call this morning, we discussed why the existing draft asking ICANN to develop a non-specific public policy exemption in the Registry Code of Conduct for closed generics was not a good idea. Steve had encouraged me, J. Scott Evans and Laura Covington from Yahoo to put pen to paper and propose specific ideas (building on the Australia’s earlier GAC recommendations on closed generics) rather than for the BC to remain silent on this issue. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Our proposed language is attached for Members’ consideration.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Sarah</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Sarah B. Deutsch<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><br>Vice President & Deputy General Counsel<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><br>Verizon Communications<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><br>Phone: 703-351-3044<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><br>Fax: 703-351-3670</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple'><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>[mailto:owner-<span style='color:purple'><a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span>]<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span></b>Elisa Cooper<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, May 20, 2013 3:34 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>Steve DelBianco<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:purple'><a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>[bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Steve,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you so much for all of your work on this.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Please find attached my edits to Sarah’s draft.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As previously stated, I will recuse myself from comments related to Closed Generics. That said, I am concerned that the proposed comments in this draft may be at odds with our earlier position:</span><a href="http://www.bizconst.org/Positions-Statements/BC%20Comment%20on%20Closed%20Generic%20TLDs.pdf" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>http://www.bizconst.org/Positions-Statements/BC%20Comment%20on%20Closed%20Generic%20TLDs.pdf</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you again.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Elisa</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Elisa Cooper</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Director of Product Marketing</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>MarkMonitor</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Elisa Cooper</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chair</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>ICANN Business Constituency</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>208 389-5779 PH</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple'><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>[<span style='color:purple'><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span>]<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span></b>Deutsch, Sarah B<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>Monday, May 20, 2013 12:29 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>Steve DelBianco;<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:purple'><a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>[bc-gnso] RE: FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Steve, All,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Thanks for your work on this draft. My comments are attached. One big issue I would flag for members is the paragraph dealing with closed generics. Various BC members have grave concerns about certain closed generics and formal objections have been filed. The focus on applying for an exemption in the Final Guidebook does not fix these fundamental concerns for the reasons outlined in the attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I’d suggest that the BC either (a) refrain from taking a position on the closed generic issue altogether or (b) support the GAC’s concerns about closed generics and the need to show that an award of an exclusive right in a generic term is in the larger public interest. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sarah</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple'><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>[<span style='color:purple'><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span>]<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span></b>Steve DelBianco<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:40 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span><span style='color:purple'><a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span>[bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW: draft BC comment on GAC Advice on safeguards for new gTLDs</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ICANN’s new gTLD Board Committee has requested public comment on how it should address GAC advice to establish safeguards for categories of new gTLDs. (</span><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/gac-safeguard-advice-23apr13-en.htm" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>link</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The BC has have held 3 conference calls on this topic (see minutes and transcripts on the BC<span class=yiv2128043238apple-converted-space> </span></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/gnsobc/Home" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple'>Wiki</span></a><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>). Several BC members provided input, including text from Ron Andruff, Marilyn Cade, and Andrew Mack. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Comment period closes 4-Jun. That allows our regular 14-day review and approval period. So, please REPLY ALL with your suggested edits and comments regarding this draft, before 29-May-2013.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Steve DelBianco</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Vice chair for policy coordination</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Business Constituency</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><BC Comment on GAC Advice for new gTLDs DRAFT v1sd2 (2).docx></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>