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RE: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois) <br>
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<td valign="top"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'>Dear all,</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'>I don’t know the politics and history, but wonder if we can find a middle ground: eventually we’d like the system to be the same everywhere, for everyone. So for that long game, and to give us something to refer back to without putting anyone on the spot right now, could we replace St</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'>éphane’s suggestion with something more generic, e.g.:</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-left:36.0pt;'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'>“The BC looks forward to active involvement in this debate as it goes forward and hopes that the entire community will work towards one unified model for all registration data in the future, to the benefit of all Internet users and the entire DNS industry.”</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'>Obviously deferring to John, Marilyn and the other experts here!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'> </span></p><p
class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'>Marie</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;'> </span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm;'><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";'>From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";'> owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>stephvg@gmail.com<br><b>Sent:</b> mardi 6 août 2013 11:33<br><b>To:</b> john@crediblecontext.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Susan Kawaguchi; J. Scott Evans; Smith, Bill; Steve DelBianco; bc-gnso@icann.org list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)</span></p></div></div><p
class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks John.</p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I really am not looking to light a fuse.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am looking to address a problem that repeatedly vexes Internet users. They just do not understand why they have to face such varying levels of WHOIS format, complexity and operation in their daily domain-owning lives. And they tend to own both cc and g domains regardless, according to their needs.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">However as said before, I understand your concerns. Your suggestion to approach Byron discreetly may be a good "diplomatic" move. I would support.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I would also support Marilyn's suggestion to check where the rest of the CSG is on this
issue.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;'>Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur<br>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING<br><br>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;'>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;'>Skype: SVANGELDER</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;'><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.stephanevangelder.com/">www.StephaneVanGelder.com</a></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",
"sans-serif";color:black;'><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;'>----------------<br>Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant">www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant</a></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;'>LinkedIn: <a rel="nofollow" name="webProfileURL"></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/" title="View public profile">fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/</a></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Le 6 août 2013 à 03:02, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">john@crediblecontext.com</a> a écrit :</p></div><p
class="MsoNormal"><br><br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Stephane,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As you know, I am not afraid to light a fuse, but make no mistake in my judgement that this will be lighting a fuse. Perhaps we can let Byron (new chair of the ccNSO council know what we are up to. I would be more than happy to make the contact as he is Canadian and will likely take it politely if not well.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Berard</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #C2C2C2 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal">--------- Original Message --------- </p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC
comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)<br>From: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a><br>Date: 8/5/13 4:58 pm<br>To: "Susan Kawaguchi" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:susank@fb.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">susank@fb.com</a>><br>Cc: "J. Scott Evans" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">john@crediblecontext.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">john@crediblecontext.com</a>>, "Smith, Bill" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com" target="_blank"
href="javascript:return">bill.smith@paypal-inc.com</a>>, "Steve DelBianco" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a> list" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>><br><br>I understand the sentiments expressed by John and Susan. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">However, I would think it a pity that the ICANN community as a whole once again decides to shy away completely from any attempt at bringing some common sense into the g and cc coexistence.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">For me, at a time when so many ccs are either already behaving as gs or about to
manage some new gTLDs themselves, I think it is not unreasonable to suggest that both namespaces look towards some way of finding a common approach on registration data.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I also think that the BC, as the home of business in the ICANN ecosystem, would be behaving in a responsible manner to its constituents by highlighting this fact in this instance.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I believe the language I have suggested is soft enough not to appear aggressive for cc managers.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">So I would suggest we have a good opportunity here to get a common sense message across.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur<br>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING<br><br>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Skype: SVANGELDER</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.stephanevangelder.com/"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>www.StephaneVanGelder.com</span></a><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";'><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>----------------<br>Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'>I agree with John, we have been very careful on the EWG to look at the ccTlds and how they manage the domain name record data but our mandate did not include looking at ccTld registration data for this database. I think we already have a steep uphill climb for gTlds and we may want to leave the ccTlds out of it for now. </span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'>Susan Kawaguchi</span></span><span
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href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>"J. Scott Evans" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, August 5, 2013 3:52 PM<br><b>To: </b>"<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">john@crediblecontext.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">john@crediblecontext.com</a>>, "Smith, Bill" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bill.smith@paypal-inc.com</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank"
href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Steve DelBianco <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a> list" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>John:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span
style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>Thanks for the comment. That's just the kind of dialogue I am looking for here. Others?</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>J. Scott</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"
style='background:white;'><span class="apple-style-span"><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";color:#6000BF;'>j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a></span></b></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'></span></p></div><div id="ynano_hooks_page"><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div id="ynano_hooks_page"><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
align="center" style='text-align:center;background:white;'><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">john@crediblecontext.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">john@crediblecontext.com</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>To:</span></strong> J. Scott Evans <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>; "Smith, Bill" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bill.smith@paypal-inc.com</a>>; <a
rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a> <br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Cc:</span></strong> Steve DelBianco <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>; "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a> list" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>> <br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Sent:</span></strong> Monday, August 5, 2013 3:37 PM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Subject:</span></strong> RE: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"
style='background:white;'> </p><div id="yiv2466881318"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>J. Scott, et. al.,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>With regard to whether it will be a political bombshell or not, I cannot say, but as the GNSO Council liaison to the ccNSO Council I have come to appreciate the bright line they draw between the "g" and the "cc" name space. I suspect that even if Stephane's suggestion would not be the incendiary device you foretell, it would be a distraction from the more urgent matter of solving the directory services problem for the the gTLDs. I would vote not to include the language.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>My two cents.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"
style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Berard</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #C2C2C2 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 2.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>--------- Original Message --------- </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;'>Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)<br>From: "J. Scott Evans" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>><br>Date: 8/5/13 3:25 pm<br>To: "Smith, Bill" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bill.smith@paypal-inc.com</a>>,
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a><br>Cc: "Steve DelBianco" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a> list" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>Dear All:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>I have reviewed Bill's emails, his comments and those added by
Stephane. I am fine with Stephane's comments so long as we all feel this wouldn't be a political bombshell (however realistic and practical it may be).</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>As for Bill's suggestion about "entities". I have attempted to suggest language that I think assuage my concerns. Bill?</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>J. Scott</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"
style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span class="yiv2466881318apple-style-span"><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";color:#6000BF;'>j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a></span></b></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'></span></p></div><div id="yiv2466881318ynano_hooks_page"><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div id="yiv2466881318ynano_hooks_page"><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p
class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style='text-align:center;background:white;'><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'> "Smith, Bill" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bill.smith@paypal-inc.com</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>To:</span></strong> "<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a>>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a>>
<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Cc:</span></strong> J. Scott Evans <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>; "Smith, Bill" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bill.smith@paypal-inc.com</a>>; Steve DelBianco <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>; "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a> list" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>> <br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Sent:</span></strong> Monday, August 5, 2013 12:37 PM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",
"sans-serif";'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div id="yiv2466881318"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>I have attached an updated version. I'm quite happy with Stephane's addition but would ask J. Scott to offer alternative language for "entities" and to look with Yahoo to get a better understanding of the complexity and difficulty of operating a large-scale directory infrastructure, especially one that is by its nature sensitive. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>(see my comments within J Scott's comments)</p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Any
move from a freely available public WHOIS system to one that is mediated and subject to access controls requires careful consideration. Implementing a secure, internet-scale, global directory for "accredited" security professionals will be no small task.</p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:50 AM, <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a>></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;'><p
class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>I have added to J Scott's latest redraft a bit at the end about the possibility of extending this work to the cc space. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>The wording is not perfect IMO, but hopefully the intent is clear.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Thanks,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",
"sans-serif";'>Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur<br>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING<br><br>T (FR): +33 (0)6 20 40 55 89</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Skype: SVANGELDER</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.stephanevangelder.com/&k=ZVNjlDMF0FElm4dQtryO4A%3D%3D%0A&r=RfTjtTQBKN%2BQcoX4JkHSqqoeuEc%2FGWno5xqQTlAKzPo%3D%0A&m=RaYn95eM%2B3xlzmZ4%2FBnEsjNbeHw02IY86kkEIblkK58%3D%0A&s=396c77079583c49e46abef00845888658b07005e75d215b90ece8f0b321629b3">www.StephaneVanGelder.com</a></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";'><br></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>----------------<br>Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant">www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant</a></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>LinkedIn: <a rel="nofollow" name="x_x_webProfileURL"></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/">fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/</a></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Le 5 août 2013 à 18:58, "J. Scott Evans" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>> a écrit :</p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>Bill and team:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>I have re-reviewed the draft with Bill's
suggested revisions. I have attached a redline showing my thoughts on top of Bill's suggested edits.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'>J. Scott</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span class="yiv2466881318xxapple-style-span"><b><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";color:#6000BF;'>j. scott evans - head of global brand, domains & copyright - Yahoo! Inc. - 408.349.1385 - <a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a></span></b></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'></span></p></div><div id="yiv2466881318x_x_ynano_hooks_page"><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div id="yiv2466881318x_x_ynano_hooks_page"><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Garamond", "serif";'> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style='text-align:center;background:white;'><hr size="1" width="100%" align="center"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial",
"sans-serif";'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'> "Smith, Bill" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bill.smith@paypal-inc.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bill.smith@paypal-inc.com</a>><br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>To:</span></strong> "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a>> <br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Cc:</span></strong> Steve DelBianco <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>; "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a> list" <<a
rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>> <br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Sent:</span></strong> Monday, August 5, 2013 9:12 AM<br><strong><span style='font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Subject:</span></strong> Re: [bc-gnso] FOR REVIEW BY 11-AUG: BC comments on Expert Working Group for Directory Services ( new Whois)</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div id="yiv2466881318x_x_yiv8695404229"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>+1 </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Attached is a marked up version of the document. I have attempted to replace web and website with Internet and service (generally) and hope that my changes read properly. I believe it important to make the distinction between the web and
Internet since the ARDS is used for much more than the web.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>I also included some comments and additions that I believe are necessary to include. In particular, I disagree with the assertion that there is no foundation for the belief that the scale of the ARDS make it vulnerable. Internet entities are vulnerable regardless of size but as they grow, they become increasingly attractive targets. ARDS will be attractive - or the Registrar community has been disingenuous about the scale of SPAM, customer loss, etc. that results from harvesting information via WHOIS.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>I have also added text related to Gated Access and concerns related to data aggregation and operation of such a critical resource necessarily
dependent on PII of security professionals. These individuals face very real risks given the work they do, those they "oppose", and the penalties imposed for crimes they uncover.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>I hope we will consider the changes I have proposed.</p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>On Aug 3, 2013, at 3:51 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:stephvg@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">stephvg@gmail.com</a> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;'><p
class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Thank you Steve, Laura, Susan, J Scott and Elisa for a well drafted document that I believe is perfectly inline with business users interests as defined by our charter. </p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>If I might make a suggestion, even though it's out of scope of the EWG's work, I would love to see something in our opening comments about the fact that if the RDS model is adopted (or another unified model for managing gTLD registration data), it would be extremely beneficial for Internet users worldwide if ccTLD registries were also willing to work towards the adoption of the same, single-format, model.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>I think it's
useful for commentors to the EWG's draft report to make this point, even though ccTLD managers abide by their own national laws and ways of doing things, because we all have a lot to gain from a more effective and more uniform registration data database.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Apart from that suggestion, I have no other comments. The draft seems spot on to me and is supported by SVG Consulting Ltd.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Thanks,</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Stéphane Van Gelder<br>Chairman and Managing Director/Fondateur<br>STEPHANE VAN GELDER CONSULTING<br><br>T (FR): +33
(0)6 20 40 55 89</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>T (UK): +44 (0)7583 457053</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>Skype: SVANGELDER</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v1/url?u=http://www.stephanevangelder.com/&k=ZVNjlDMF0FElm4dQtryO4A%3D%3D%0A&r=RfTjtTQBKN%2BQcoX4JkHSqqoeuEc%2FGWno5xqQTlAKzPo%3D%0A&m=RaYn95eM%2B3xlzmZ4%2FBnEsjNbeHw02IY86kkEIblkK58%3D%0A&s=396c77079583c49e46abef00845888658b07005e75d215b90ece8f0b321629b3">www.StephaneVanGelder.com</a></span><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica", "sans-serif";'><br></span><span
style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>----------------<br>Follow us on Twitter: @stephvg and "like" us on Facebook: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant">www.facebook.com/DomainConsultant</a></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";'>LinkedIn: <a rel="nofollow" name="x_x_x_webProfileURL"></a><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/">fr.linkedin.com/in/domainconsultant/</a></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'>Le 3 août 2013 à 17:53, Steve DelBianco <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>> a écrit :</p></div><blockquote
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;'><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'> </p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'>It's time for the BC to comment on the</span><span class="yiv2466881318xxyiv8695404229xapple-style-span"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'> draft model for Next Generation gTLD Directory Services. </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span style='font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style='background:white;'><span class="yiv2466881318xxyiv8695404229xapple-style-span"><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";'>The Expert Working Group (EWG) published its draft report <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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