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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is beyond depressing. Is there anything we can actually do, though?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Marie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-bc-gnso@icann.org [mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J. Scott Evans<br><b>Sent:</b> mercredi 14 août 2013 6:39<br><b>To:</b> abrams@google.com; mike@rodenbaugh.com<br><b>Cc:</b> sdelbianco@netchoice.org; bc-gnso@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] BC comment on singular plural<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>I think ICANN should stay out of trademark law.<br><br>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div id="_origMsg_"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Andy Abrams <<a href="mailto:abrams@google.com">abrams@google.com</a>>; <br><b>To: </b>Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>>; <br><b>Cc: </b>J. Scott Evans <<a href="mailto:jscottevans@yahoo.com">jscottevans@yahoo.com</a>>; Steve Delbianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>>; bc - GNSO list <<a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a>>; <br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [bc-gnso] BC comment on singular plural <br><b>Sent: </b>Wed, Aug 14, 2013 3:49:39 AM <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Attached are copies of the two decisions. We'll see if the other ICDR cases follow suit, but in these two cases, it seems that a decision was made up front to not find string confusion unless the strings were identical (in which case there is no need to bring an objection) or the strings were symbolic or visual equivalents (e.g., com v. c0m, which does not exist at the top level as far as I know, or unicorn v. unicom, which again, was already placed by ICANN into a contention set). Then it appears that the somewhat tortured reasoning was applied retroactively. If this is the case, then it will literally be impossible to win a string confusion case, and I agree that the entire process is rendered completely superfluous/useless. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andy<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:07 PM, <<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">icann@rodenbaugh.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="1407ae68759bd81e_1407add508b5c6a1_1407a2"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>That paraphrasing of the reasoning makes it seem like the experts are entirely shirking their duty as independent neutrals, and are making the String Similarity Objection completely superfluous/useless.</span></a><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Andy can you send copies of the decisions please? Or are they posted somewhere?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Mike</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Mike Rodenbaugh</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>RODENBAUGH LAW</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Tel/Fax: +1.415.738.8087</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0563C1'>http://rodenbaugh.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'> <a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>J. Scott Evans<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">abrams@google.com</a>; <a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="javascript:return" target="_blank">bc-gnso@icann.org</a></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bc-gnso] BC comment on singular plural<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Ridiculous.<br><br>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>Andy Abrams <</span><span lang=EN-US><a href="javascript:return" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>abrams@google.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>>; <br><b>To: </b>Steve DelBianco <</span><span lang=EN-US><a href="javascript:return" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>sdelbianco@netchoice.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>>; <br><b>Cc: </b>bc - GNSO list <</span><span lang=EN-US><a href="javascript:return" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>bc-gnso@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt'>>; <br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [bc-gnso] BC comment on singular plural <br><b>Sent: </b>Tue, Aug 13, 2013 11:08:58 PM </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Update: the first singular-plural decisions have come in.<span style='font-size:10.0pt'> Both singular-plural decisions have gone <i>against </i></span>a finding of string confusion (our car/cars objection against Donuts, and a Hotel Top-Level-Domain S.a.r.l. v. Booking.com B.V. for hotel/hotels). In the car/cars decision, the Panel stated: "It is true that <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>the ICANN visual similarity standards appear quite narrow, but it is not the role [of] this Panel to substitute for ICANN’s expert technical findings." In the hotel/hotels decision, the Panel similarly stated: "I find persuasive the degrees of similarity or dissimilarity between the strings by use of the String Similarity Assessment Tool, that ICANN did not put the applications for .HOTEL and .HOTELS in the same contention set." In other words, the early results suggest that the ICDR may give complete deference to ICANN's earlier refusal to essentially find any instances of string confusion, no matter how close the strings.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Andy<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Here's what we just told the Board at the Public Forum, on behalf of the BC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>ICANN’s String Similarity Panel was to place into contention sets any strings that create a possibility of user confusion.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>But in late February ICANN published contention sets that did NOT include 24 pairs of singular-plural forms of the same string (English and Spanish) Sport(s) Loan(s) Web(s) Game(s) Hotel(es)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Risks of allowing both singular and plural TLDs for the same word are <u>well understood</u>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-confusion</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-precedent for the <i>next</i> round</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-ICANN looking pretty ridiculous</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>What’s <u>not understood</u> is how it happened and what we can do about it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>First response is to ask if the panelist follow GNSO Policy on confusingly similar.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Second response is “Chong” ( Chinese for “Do-over” )</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>-Do-over on just these 24 pairs </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>- WIPO Mediation Rules, Article 1 says, “Words used in the singular include the plural and vice versa, as the context may require.”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Guess we could correct the Guidebook (plurals <u>are</u> confusingly similar)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>String Confusion Objections on 7 of these pairs are in the hands of the ICDR rightnow. If ICSR does the right thing and finds these pairs <u>should</u> be contention sets, The Board can apply this rule to ALL 24 pairs </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Failing that, there’s Formal Reconsideration. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>We all worry about threat from inter-governmental groups just waiting for ICANN to stumble.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>We have enough vulnerability to stumble with so many unknowns in the new gTLD launch.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>No need to add to our vulnerability with this self-inflicted wound</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333'>Andy Abrams | Trademark Counsel<br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#3333FF'>G</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:red'>o</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#FFCC00'>o</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#3333FF'>g</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#33CC00'>l</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:red'>e</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#333333'> | 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="https://www.google.com/voice#phones" target="_blank" title="Go to phones"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;text-decoration:none'>(650) 669-8752</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'>Andy Abrams | Trademark Counsel<br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3333FF'>G</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>o</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#FFCC00'>o</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3333FF'>g</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#33CC00'>l</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'>e</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'> | 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://www.google.com/voice#phones" target="_blank" title="Go to phones"><span style='color:black;text-decoration:none'>(650) 669-8752</span></a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#333333'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>