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Wouldn’t these current providers have “an interest”? If so, we would need to question their comments just as much as we have questioned others with “interests”.
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<div>Let’s be consistent here and stop the talk of conflicts.</div>
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<div>On Aug 29, 2013, at 6:44 AM, Marilyn Cade <<a href="mailto:marilynscade@hotmail.com">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>In general, I think this is important to address on this call. </div>
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<div>I would again want to hear from the three current providers who are members of the BC but I am of the view that two of those: Mahmoud and Gabi/Celia supported this. I don't think we ever heard back from Zahid. That is unfortunate, but perhaps as he will
be on today's call, we can either ask about DNDRC's views, or ask for follow up, quickly, after today's call.
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<div>In general, if we can get to concurrence on this, I would support a letter that asks for clarity and enforceable agreements. However, we do need to fully recognize and support that there are concerns from governments that providers be based in the region.
And that a US and European approach to suppliers simply does not scale. </div>
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<div><b><i><u>Supplier</u></i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is perhaps now a broader term at ICANN than in the past. In adding in criteria and accountability, we also ask ICANN [or demand] that ICANN manage such agreements, standards, etc. </div>
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<div>ICANN has to accept the responsibility of engagement, and enforcement. </div>
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2013 09:26:01 -0400<br>
Subject: Re: [bc-gnso] RE: Policy calendar for 29-Aug-2013 BC member call<br>
From: <a href="mailto:john@crediblecontext.com">john@crediblecontext.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>; <a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">
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Phil,<br>
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My view and recollection is as Phil describes. An underlying principle of any business is clarity and contracts for these vendors would help do that.<br>
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I am in favor of sending this letter.<br>
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Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">On July 21<sup>st</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I sent an e-mail to the BC list expressing concerns about ICANN’s
July 19<sup>th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>document “UDRP Providers and Uniformity of Process – Status Report”. In particular, the Report appears to conflict with the BC’s longstanding position that UDRP providers should be subject to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>“<i>a
standard mechanism for establishing uniform rules and procedures and flexible means of delineating and enforcing arbitration provider responsibilities”</i></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>.</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The closing paragraph of that e-mail stated:</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">In conclusion, I hereby request that BC leadership and members consider preparing and sending a communication to the CEO
and the Board raising concerns about the timing of the release of this document, the lack of public comment or Board review prior to its release, and its potentially prejudicial impact on future community discussion of the UDRP.</span></u></b><b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I
leave whether that communication should also take issue with any of its substantive conclusions up to the BC membership.</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Attached is a proposed draft letter for the BC to send to ICANN in regard to this matter; this item is on the agenda provided by
Steve DelBianco. The draft letter does not take any substantive positions on the statements in the report – it just states the BC’s long-held position on the need for a standard and enforceable mechanism between ICANN and UDRP providers, and asks a series
of questions about some of the statements in the Report.</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I realize that the limited time may prevent a decision on this matter during the Thursday call and that we may need to follow up
by e-mail, but I would be happy to answer any questions during the call.</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Thanks, and best regards,</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org">mailto:owner-bc-gnso@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Steve DelBianco<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, August 26, 2013 11:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bc-gnso@icann.org">bc-gnso@icann.org</a> list<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[bc-gnso] Policy calendar for 29-Aug-2013 BC member call</span></div>
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I found it helpful to consult Benedetta's meeting minutes from 8-Aug (<a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/31162833/Minutes+BC+August+8+2013.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1377162255000" target="_blank">here</a>).</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">1. Draft report of expert working group (EWG) on next generation directory services (new WHOIS) (comments close 6-Sep). </span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Then Marilyn, J. Scott, and David Fares added edits to the 9-Aug version (<b>1st attachment</b>)</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On 1-Aug a discussion thread was begun by J Scott Evans regarding the "Geographic Indicator Debate at Durban", including broader issue of GAC's role. </span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><i><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">What shall we do to stop the madness of allowing both singular and plural forms of the same TLD?</span></i><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">This is an issue on which the BC has been vocal since Beijing, along with advice from the GAC to "reconsider" the singular/plural decisions.</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">ICANN's New gTLD Program Committee "reconsidered" in its 25-Jun Resolution: “NGPC has determined that no changes are needed to the existing mechanisms in the Applicant
Guidebook to address potential consumer confusion resulting from allowing singular and plural versions of the same string.”</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">As many BC members have discussed on list, the Dispute Resolution panels are generally upholding the originally flawed findings of the experts. In one case, Dispute Resolution
providers disagreed on the exact same string. (<a href="http://unitedtld.com/icann-must-now-decide-string-similarity-question/" target="_blank">link</a>)</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">There's been an impressive discussion on BC list. Question is, What can the BC do now?</span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">This element of GAC Beijing advice was never posted for public comment, so we could insist upon that as a matter of process. Moreover, events indicate that experts and
dispute resolution panels are not uniformly interpreting the Guidebook standard (“so nearly resembles another that it is likely to deceive or cause confusion.”) So it's time to clarify the guidebook and re-do the string similarity evaluations. There's a
limited class of strings at issue, and the same panels could act quickly once they receive clearer instructions. </span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Also, we could enlist ALAC support to ask GAC to reiterate its concern over user confusion among singular and plural forms of the same TLD. It was disappointing that GAC
didn't mention singular/plural in its Durban Advice, but events now vindicate the GAC's original concern about consumer confusion.</span></div>
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