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--></style></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>Please find the notes and transcript of the Bylaws Coordination Group meeting. The recording is available at: <a href="https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p1fgfqc8kgw/">https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p1fgfqc8kgw/</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>--Grace<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Bylaws Coordination Group Meeting</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>26 May @ 19:00 UTC</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>This meeting is being recorded.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Press *6 to mute and unmute your phone line.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Notes</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>A few items to call to BCG's attention: </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>1. Grandfathering </span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Suggestion from Becky Burr to not have a separate clause for renewal coverage.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Support from Rosemary Fei for Becky's suggestion. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>2. Gender diversity</span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Inclusion of gender diversity was not included in the Bylaws because it was not included in the CCWG-Accountability Proposal. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Approach supported by Becky Burr, Mathieu Weill, Thomas Rickert, Greg Shatan, Jordan Carter. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>3. GAC changes from NTIA</span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Changes suggested to the GAC-related Bylaws would make the provision clearer and proposal is to move forward with the suggested changes. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo6;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Support from Kavouss Arasteh, Steve Delbianco, Greg Shatan, Thomas Rickert, and Sidley Austin. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>4. RySG recommendations on ATRT3</span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo8;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Is there a need to call out Ombudsman and Reconsideration Process per the RySG comments?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo8;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Decision to fix the opening line to say: " without limitation" and not make the inclusion of Reconsideration/Ombudsman in the text</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:blue'>Action:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> Make change to opening line ("without limitation") for section on ATRT reviews. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><i><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>5. WHOIS/RDS timing</span></i></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo10;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Inserted the date of 31 Oct 2016 as the latest date for ICANN to start the review without causing a Bylaws violation. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo10;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Mathieu and Cheryl have flagged a potential typo in that section raised in an email from Chuck Gomes (email has been forwarded to BCG list). </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Other issues: </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Have all the CCWG-Accountability comments been addressed?</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo12;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Yes, and there are responses to each in the table. Some resulted in changes, and some did not. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo12;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Sidley and Adler have confirmed that all the CCWG-Accountability comments have been addressed in the table. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Articles of Incorporation </span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo14;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Steve Delbianco suggests a memo to clarify the status of ICANN's incorporation </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo14;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>General acceptance of the drafting of Bylaws and Articles (no modifications to Articles).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:blue'>Action:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> ICANN to work with external firms to provide a clarifying memo on the status of ICANN's incorporation </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:blue'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Board approval of Bylaws and action for Articles</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo16;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>John suggests that the Board could approve the Bylaws and request that the Articles be posted for public comment (to ensure that a public comment takes place). </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Is the BCG in agreement that the Bylaws are consistent with the Proposals as delivered in Marrakesh? </span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo16;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Bruce requests a response so that he can communicate the feedback to the Board for their call later today. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo16;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Mathieu applauds staff effort on the Bylaws revisions and believes the Bylaws are consistent with the CCWG-Accountability proposal. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo16;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Support for Mathieu's statements from Cheryl, Kavouss, Thomas</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo16;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol;color:black'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>John thanks Sidley and Adler firms for their work and coorperation on the Bylaws effort. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black'>Call closes at 20:00 UTC. </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><u><span style='color:#4472C4'>Chat Transcript <o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Brenda Brewer:Hi all and welcome to the Bylaws Coordination Meeting on 26 May @ 19:00 UTC!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Hello, all. I'm inflight, so I am in listening/chat mode only.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> cherine chalaby:Hi Everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair:Hello everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Chris Disspain:greetings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Grace Abuhamad:Hi all -- all the documents circulated yesterday are uploaded, but I have just put this one on screen so that you have something to look through (better than a blank screen). If you would prefer anoter document, please let me know<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve Crocker:Heloo, everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:Hi everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Chris Disspain:yes JJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:can those not speaking please mute their lines?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Hello, everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:thanks, Sam!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:Sam, are you or your colleagues aware of any items in these plants that might be outside the new mission?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Agree with Becky, the separate clause for renewal coverage makes no sense now that it only applies to one clause.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:Thanks, I just want to get on record with this as we might get the question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:Understood, Sam. I am personally ok with this!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Brenda Brewer: Please identify your name if your number listed above ends with 0240, 2001 or 2530. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:Thomas, What do you mean by" PLANTS" <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:Do you mean " Plans"?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:sorry, Kavouss. Typo. I meant "plans" and did not want us to enter the botanic world<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:I agree with the approach Sam, and support this way forward<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:+1, Mathieu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:lost sound, is that just me?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:isn't the language in the core values now a carry over from the existing bylaws?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Grace Abuhamad:There is still sound @Greg. There was a moment when we thought we couldn't hear Kavouss. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:Yes , in the document Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:what about linguistic diversity, etc? I am concerned about picking and choosing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:Agree, Becky. Also, it is not for us to make that determination.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:i support the approach in the doc on screen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:Agree with Jordan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Agree with Jordan -- No New Asks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:Sorry I was late<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Wi-if problems?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:meeting overrun problems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:I support the INTA changes. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Agree with Steve. This is clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:I am also ok with these modifications<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Holly J. Gregory (Sidley):we at Sidley think it is fine as well<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:Thanks Holly !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:list "may include the following" was in our CCWG report, too<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Yes, Steve, that was the basis on which counsel suggested the change to the Bylaws.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:I do not see any need to change<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:i think "may assess include the following" is a little confusing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):The change is not required to allow the topics to be addressed in the reviews.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:I don't care myself; I think they're both consistent with the proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):The word "include" implies that it's not an exhaustive list, that there is more.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:here is what our report and AoC have: Issues that may merit attention in this review include:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):May include without limitation was I beleive the intention... We must be unambiguous<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:Strictly, it only implies that there _could_ be more. </pedant><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:but i don;t think that actually works steve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Agree that inserting "without limitation" after "include" would also work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Sorry, that should be after "the following"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:if people are uncomfortable adding "without limitation" then i would include the Ry suggestion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):It's easier to justify adding "without limitation" based on the Proposal, rather than adding items not in the Proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:If the intent is for th list to be non-eclusive, we need the "without limitation" change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Chris Disspain:Rosemary + 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:And the "include" change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:comfortable with that Jordan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:"without limitation" gets at what we wanted. I think we need to fix that opening line<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:if we only add the Reonsideration stuff, we will NOT have fixed the limiting problem<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:"may include but is not limited to"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):That is ok By ME <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:any of those work<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Makes no difference to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):JUST MAKE IT UNAMBIGUOUS!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:No difference to me<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:I have no mouth.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I trust that is not truely the case<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:just a temporary disability<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan::-X<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin)::-O<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:I SEE NO PROBLEM TO ADD SUCH CLARITY <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:I confess that I'm trying to imagine the effects of being mouthless on a lawyer. It's not a comfy idea!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Makes it hard to be a mouthpiece...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Lawyers like organizations to be in compliance with their bylaws, and prefer not to have our work put our clients out of compliance, but of course we defer to what our clients want, once they understand the issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Chris Disspain:Rosemary + 1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I think the modifier is required<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Chris Disspain:ias a Board member I would be uncomfortable approving b laws that I know we are in breach of or soon will be<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:Have we audited the rest of these new bylaws to ensure there are no OTHER immediate violations?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):also is there a possible typo in the text <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> John Jeffrey:I agree with Rosemary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> John Jeffrey:@SteveDelB- Although there has been no such audit, where we are aware of such non-compliance we feel it is useful to point it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):AGree SAM and ALAC will also agree<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:@John -- are you aware of other areas of non-compliance?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):In the draft, the reference to SSR should be to Directory Service -- cut and paste error, I assume.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Bruce Tonkin:Agree given we know there will be some non-compliance that we should make it consistent with our plans.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> John Jeffrey:@SteveDelB - no, and if I become aware of such non-compliance will/would flag<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):The revised Bylaw on the RDS Review reads:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>>The revised Bylaw on the RDS Review reaqds:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>>The Directory Service Review shall be conducted no less frequently than every five years, measured from the date the previous Directory Service Review Team was convened., except that the first Directory Service Review to be conducted after [1 October 2016] shall be deemed to be timely if the applicable SSR Review Team is convened on or before 31 October 2016.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>>Is this a type where they inserted SSR instead of RDS??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>>The Directory Service Review shall be conducted no less frequently than every five years, measured from the date the previous Directory Service Review Team was convened., except that the first Directory Service Review to be conducted after [1 October 2016] shall be deemed to be timely if the applicable SSR Review Team is convened on or before 31 October 2016.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>>Is this a type where they inserted SSR instead of RDS??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>>If not, I do not see the cnnection and we have entered a world where the Mad Hatter rules (alth<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:May we discuss articles of Incorporation?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:I have to dial-in again ...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:There were a number of other changes suggested in the CCWG comment,as well s other comments. How are we handling these?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:Could we have confirmation on the calll that all CCWG comments have been addressed ? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:(it's my impression)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Chris Disspain:I believe MW is correct...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Iam staying mute on this cll sorry but I am in two ICANN Meetings at once and the other audio was being oicked up by my mike before<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:Thanks Sam<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Chart is 196 pages....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Holly J. Gregory (Sidley):We agree with Sam that the CCWG comments have been addressed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Bruce Tonkin:Yes @Greg - it is long but at least thorough<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):My hand is up<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:Thanks Holly. This is very helpful for us before we report to the group. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:I am back. In queue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:yes, it was helpful<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:I am back on phone. In queue for a question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:Wonderful !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Good to tidy the laguage if needs be Steve <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Memo would be useful<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Organized is a broader term, that covers entities that are not corporations; incorporated would be fine, if that is helpful, to substitute in the Articles.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:the words are ALREADY in current byaws and Articles.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:A memo explaining that might be sufficient<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Holly J. Gregory (Sidley):Incorporation is one form of organization so to say organized under California : organized or incorporated set out same relation to California law<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):The "organized under" formulation is extremely common.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:I believe the Supreme Ciurt in Hertz v Friend (2010) resolved the HQ and principal place of biz question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Mathieu Weill, ACCT co-chair 2:Let's settle with a memo to avoid any last minute sensitive change<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas Rickert, CCWG Co-Chair:A memo would be helpful. I do not think we should change the language. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):As long as the legal expertise cn be 'brought to bear'<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Agree that a memo would be good, as a Guide to the Perplexed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Those words were selected due to legal custom.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Bruce Tonkin:I would support a memo as well that is aimed at the particular audience that Steve is raising.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:Do we think that we could write a Guide to the Perplexed on this that would not be infinitely long? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Agree Chris <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:i amy be kicked off shortly as my plane is over Philly and starting is descent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):looks like we are sorted then :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Holly J. Gregory (Sidley):would you like Sidley/Adler to do the memo?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:its<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:Andrew, tihis can be dealt wth fairly succincltly IMHO<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Steve DelBianco [GNSO - CSG] 2:Why are we removing "disqualified persons" clause in Articles?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):OK<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:i AGREE WITH THAT USEFUL SUGGESTION<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> cherine chalaby:Agree with JJ<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):Steve, that's addressed in one of the emails that was circulated with the draft articles.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:Public Comment Approach is a correct one<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:@Greg: I was referring to the population of the perplexed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):In short, the reference is to a section of the Internal Revenue Code that does not apply to ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Greg Shatan:ahhhhhhhhhhh<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Rosemary Fei (Adler Colvin):In addition, the definition of disqualified person that applies to ICANN (there is one) would mean that ICANN could not be controlled by its own board -- so the prohibition makes no sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Bruce Tonkin:Just re-iterating - I want to get a sense of whether the bylws coordiantion group is comfortable that the revisions to the draft byalws out of the public comment process are consistent with the reports received by the Board.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):AGREE +++<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:I fully endorse that point<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Bruce Tonkin:It is helpful that the legal team has been working together and that the changes suggested by Sidley and Adler have been taken into account based on the CCWG public comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Indeed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Kavouss Arasteh:Pls include my full support for the comments made by Mathieu<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas:I agree with this assessment! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas:BTW - Thomas Rickert that is. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas:I have duplicated myself in the AC room, sorry for that<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> cherine chalaby:Thank you Mathieu <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Becky Burr:yes, great job<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> andrew sullivan:@Thomas: if only you'd been able to duplicate yourself sooner!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):great progress <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='color:black'>> Thomas:Just to fully support Mathieu's praise for all the hard work!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>