[cc-humanrights] Human Rights and ICANN - session description

Wed Dec 10 14:12:54 UTC 2014

Hi Niels and everyone,

things are getting complicated since ICANN meetings team are putting as
upper limit of 90min to sessions. I am trying to find some workaround to
get more time but I cannot guarantee anything.
I will work with Jean-Jacques how we can proceed here.
Thanks for the info,
stay tuned.

Rafik

2014-12-10 8:13 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever <niels at article19.org>:

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> On 12/09/2014 12:55 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
>
> Hi Rafik,
>
> >
> > I think we may move to Wednesday morning at 10:00. the GAC-board
> > meeting is from 8:30 to 9:30. We are still discussing about timing
> > for CCWG on IG meeting.
> >
> > I  also  strongly advise for 2 hours session only.
>
>
> OK, sounds good and feasible. I would be happy if we can do it from
> 10:00 up to 12:30 though, there's so much to discuss. But I'll leave
> it to the group and Rafiks intuition.
>
>
> > what I need as input: - session description , title  and tentative
> > agenda (which will be online)
>
>
> Title:  Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
>
> Description:
>
> There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that
> some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications
> for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to
> privacy. While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such
> rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to
> assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally
> agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible
> methods for addressing any incompatibilities.
>
> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case
> basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for
> starting a process that could address them in a more systemic
> manner.
>
> Tentative agenda:
>
> 1. Introductions by facilitator (Niels ten Oever) - 5 minutes
> 2. Summary of past discussion (Marilia Maciel) - 10 minutes
> 3. Short introduction to human rights and its relevance + Q&A (Joy
> Liddicoat) - 20 minutes
> 4. Presentation of case study on ICANN and human rights + Q&A (Monika
> Zalnieriute) 30 minutes
> 5. Discussion on commencement of a process for a more systemic
> approach to human rights and ICANN (45 minutes)
> 6. Summary (10 minutes)
> 7. Conclusion. (5 minutes)
>
> I just made this up (and haven't asked people if they are up for it,
> even though I think so), so happy to discuss.
>
>
> >
> > • a breakdown of topics to be discussed • a list of
> > speakers/panellists • an explanation of the session’s goals and
> > expected outcomes • hyperlinks to relevant documentation.
> >
>
> Papers are still being developed.
>
>
> > - expected number of attendees
>
> Based on previous meeting: 80
>
> > - preferred set-up: u shape, theatre, rounds, board, classroom etc
>
> I prefer U shape since it will be a discussion as well.
>
> >
> > I will ask of course of for remote participation and adobe connect.
> > I need to submit the request by 15th Dec finally, I think that is
> > time to move to more substantive discussion to prepare the
> > session.
> >
>
> I hope this helps. Will send a more substantive email about papers
> after this.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
> > Rafik
> >
> > 2014-12-07 9:53 GMT+09:00 Joy Liddicoat <joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz
> > <mailto:joy at liddicoatlaw.co.nz>>:
> >
> > Hi all and thanks for the suggestions as well - Seems Wednesday at
> > 9.30 may be least worst option  .... Perhaps we should also be
> > willing to consider a slightly shorter session if that helps with
> > scheduling (eg to reduce to 2 or 2.5 hours) Joy
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org>
> > [mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org
> > <mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Niels ten
> > Oever Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 4:13 a.m. To: Rafik Dammak;
> > Marilia Maciel Cc: Human Rights Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] Human
> > Rights and ICANN - session description
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For your reference, the ICANN51 schedule:
> > http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full
> >
> > Monday afternoon is risky because it might overlap with ICANN
> > accountability discussions, updates on new gTLDs, etc.
> >
> > Wednesday morning is risky because of the CCWG on Internet
> > Governance. But since the latter is from 8:30 - 9:45, if we start
> > at 9:30, we should be OK with a slow start. Will you keep the same
> > time for Singapore for this workshop Bill ?
> >
> > If so, I'd go for Wednesday morning.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Niels
> >
> >
> > Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
> >
> > Article 19 www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org>
> >
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> > 68E9
> >
> > On 12/05/2014 04:06 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >
> >> I meant checking quickly if there are other sessions (e.g.
> >> checking schedules in previous ICANN meetings or if someone is
> >> aware about new session) to mitigate risks of clashes, after
> >> submission we cannot request changes.
> >
> >> Rafik
> >
> >> 2014-12-05 23:39 GMT+09:00 Marilia Maciel
> >> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com
> > <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>>:
> >
> >> Yes, I meant Wednesday. Thanks for the correction Niels.
> >> Although Olivier mentioned that Monday afternoon is not
> >> blocked..
> >
> >> Considering the meeting will always clash with something else, a
> >> 3-hour session could be strategic to allow people to join us at
> >> some moment. We could even explicitly divide the session in "part
> >> 1" and "part 2", so people that could come (although late) do not
> >> feel they missed too much and still feel encouraged to attend. Of
> >> course, this is besides the fact that we do have a lot of
> >> substantive topics to discuss. I understand Rafik´s point, but
> >> maybe we should try to push for the three hours.
> >
> >> Rafik, do you suggest we wait to book the room, so we coordinate
> >> with other sessions being scheduled? Isn´t it dangerous in terms
> >> of securing a room for us? I think it is better to have it
> >> scheduled as soon as possible. If something substantial changes
> >> on the agenda we re-evaluate.
> >
> >> Best,
> >
> >> Marília
> >
> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Rafik Dammak
> >> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> > <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi ,
> >
> >> I think we should see the different SO/AC  sessions ( we have
> >> also the CCWG on IG session too!) and find some possible time
> >> slot.
> >
> >> 3 hours is long and not necessarily easy to secure room (while
> >> we could do that in London for a different topic , not sure we
> >> can reiterate that).
> >
> >> Rafik
> >
> >> 2014-12-05 22:59 GMT+09:00 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
> >> <ocl at gih.com
> > <mailto:ocl at gih.com>
> >> <mailto:ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>>>:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >
> >> it is possible to program for Monday afternoon. They frown upon
> >> it because that takes people out of the main room but the ALAC
> >> and other WGs have staged meetings on Monday afternoon with
> >> little interference. One of the problems is that by killing
> >> Fridays the week has become shorter and with the Thursday circus
> >> Thursday is now dead. With Monday risking being filled by the
> >> circus too we have Tuesday which is impossible due to
> >> Constituency day. But guess what, I'm now told some parts of
> >> Constituency day might happen on Wednesday morning too. So
> >> Wednesday afternoon? Oh now, that's GNSO wrap up. <sigh>
> >
> >> Olivier
> >
> >
> >> On 05/12/2014 14:41, William Drake wrote:
> >>> you can’t program on Monday, they block it out for official
> >>> stuff they think is more important.
> >>>
> >>> I’d ask for Wednesday morning.
> >>>
> >>> BD
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 5, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Niels ten
> >>>> Oever<niels at article19.org
> > <mailto:niels at article19.org>>
> >>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org <mailto:niels at article19.org>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>> Hi Rafik,
> >>>
> >>> You're right. Tuesday is constituency day, so that is ruled
> >>> out. Can we do Monday afternoon 13:30 - 16:30 ?
> >>>
> >>> I also found in the archives we agreed earlier on a three hour
> >>> meeting, so let's go for that.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Niels
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
> >>>
> >>> Article 19 www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org>
> > <http://www.article19.org>
> >>>
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> >>> 68E9
> >>>
> >>> On 12/05/2014 02:17 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Niels,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wednesday afternoon has the GNSO council public meeting
> >>>>>> and we had such conflict last time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rafik
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2014-12-05 22:07 GMT+09:00 Niels ten Oever
> >>> <niels at article19.org <mailto:niels at article19.org>
> > <mailto:niels at article19.org <mailto:niels at article19.org>>
> >>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org
> >>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org>> <mailto:niels at article19.org
> >>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org>>>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/04/2014 06:24 PM, Rafik wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Niels,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Rafik,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I am not senior within ICANN
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, at least more senior than me ;)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> but I guess I can help for this.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's excellent. I think we agreed on a session on
> >>>>>> Wednesday afternoon, as per Bills proposal. I think two
> >>>>>> hours would
> >>> suffice.
> >>>>>> Three hours seems a but like a an overkill (even though I
> >>>>>> know we could easily fill it).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> What do you people think?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Niels
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rafik
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Le 5 Dec 2014 à 02:20, Niels ten Oever
> >>>>>>> <niels at article19.org
> > <mailto:niels at article19.org>
> >>> <mailto:niels at article19.org <mailto:niels at article19.org>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org
> >>>>>>> <mailto:niels at article19.org>>> a
> >>> écrit :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It seems there is consensus about the text for the
> >>>>>>> session at ICANN52, or does anyone have any issues with
> >>>>>>> this text? All comments are very welcome.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Human right and ICANN - continuing the conversation
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is a growing recognition in parts of the
> >>>>>>> community that some of ICANN’s policies and other
> >>>>>>> actions may have implications for human rights like
> >>>>>>> freedom of expression and the right to privacy. While
> >>>>>>> ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights,
> >>>>>>> it would be advisable on political and other grounds
> >>>>>>> to assess whether our work is fully consistent with
> >>>>>>> internationally agreed human rights laws and policies,
> >>>>>>> and to identify possible methods for addressing any
> >>>>>>> incompatibilities.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by
> >>>>>>> case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider
> >>>>>>> options for starting a process that could address them
> >>>>>>> in a more systemic manner.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What would be the process to request the room? I would
> >>>>>>> be happy to send some emails, but given the experiences
> >>>>>>> during last ICANN meeting it might be more effective if
> >>>>>>> someone more senior in the ICANN hierarchy would send
> >>>>>>> it. Any takers?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Niels
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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