[cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session

Tue Sep 29 16:56:36 UTC 2015

Avri

Exactly

There’s little to be gained by having a bunch of people who all agree with each other.

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 17:53, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>The more I think about it the more I like having the panel full of those
>who have issues with it.
>
>Maybe ask James Bladel.  He voiced concerns in the CCWG meeting.
>
>avri
>
>
>On 29-Sep-15 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>> Avri
>>
>> Thanks, but my concerns are very simple.
>>
>> I think you’ll find other contracted parties and people like Greg would be in a much better position to have a robust discussion on this
>>
>> M
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>> On 29/09/2015 17:28, "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is nervous about
>>> ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw. 
>>>
>>> But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted parties on the
>>> panel.  Like you, Michele.
>>>
>>> I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that ICANN cannot
>>> even make a simple commitment to respect HR within its mission, and can
>>> argue from the floor.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>> Avri
>>>>
>>>> As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.
>>>>
>>>> But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space.. 
>>>>
>>>> So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michele
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a
>>>>> HR bylaw.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think
>>>>> there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and
>>>>> working it out as we go.
>>>>>
>>>>> And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a
>>>>> committment to HR.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I differentiate between
>>>>>
>>>>> "I support hr, but ..."
>>>>>
>>>>> and 
>>>>>
>>>>> "I support hr.
>>>>> I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
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