[cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23

Nigel Hickson nigel.hickson at icann.org
Tue Sep 29 19:51:44 UTC 2015


Susan

Good evening; as “staff” can I just confirm that many of us have been fighting  HR issues for many years; we are all ultimately accountable; whatever our roles;

Best

Nigel



From: Niels ten Oever <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of susan aaronson <saaronson2 at verizon.net<mailto:saaronson2 at verizon.net>>
Date: Tuesday 29 September 2015 21:22
To: Human Rights <cc-humanrights at icann.org<mailto:cc-humanrights at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23

I made exactly that point in my comments on the document.
You need to illuminate the "How" to IcANN and someone on the board has to take responsibility for the staff that will be held accountable for implementing human rights.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: draft agenda public session (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
   2. Re: draft agenda public session (Stephanie Perrin)
   3. Re: draft agenda public session (Alexandra Kulikova)


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:43:10 +0000
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com><mailto:michele at blacknight.com>
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
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Implementation cannot be in a vacuum
Unfortunately with the best intentions in the world it gets overlooked..


Mr. Michele Neylon
Blacknight
http://www.blacknight.irish
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On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

concerns about implementation is a likely comment.  But lets not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include some who will argue that piece.
SP



On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Avri

Nobody is going to say they don?t support human rights :)

What they might say is that they have concerns about how this is handled ?

Regards

Michele

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On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria"<mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofAvriDoria> <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org><mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofavri@acm.org> wrote:

good point.
perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO who does not support human
rights?

avri



On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn?t it be beneficial to have someone who


wasn?t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on the ?human
rights? issue with respect to CCWG / IANA etc., and having someone from
that side of the house might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele


-- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions > Hosting, Colocation


& Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ > http://blog.blacknight.com/ >
http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072 > Direct Dial: +353
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Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty >
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845 > > > > > > > >
On 29/09/2015 00:16, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
Niels ten Oever"<mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofNielstenOever> <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
niels at article19.org><mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofniels@article19.org> wrote: >


Hello everyone,

Please find underneath my proposal for the draft agenda. Looking
forward to hear your ideas and criticisms. I was thinking of asking
more people to comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite
high. Looking forward to hear what you think.

Best,

Niels

PS I did not confirm anyone yet.


Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session
===================================

Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes

Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law (GAC WG
co-chairs / Lee Hibbard)    - 5 minutes

Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez)    - 5 minutes

Presentation chart (Marilia)    - 10 minutes

Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact assessments and CSR
reporting (Motoko)    - 20 minutes

Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)

Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)

Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)

Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)

Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)

Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)

Q&A

Summary (Marilia)




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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:28:39 -0400
From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
To: <cc-humanrights at icann.org><mailto:cc-humanrights at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session
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Joe Alhadeff, if he is around.  NEed a business constituency person, I
would suggest.
SP
On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:


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Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add
others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested
in asking critical questions?

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
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On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:


Avri

As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a
bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially,
illegal.

But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.
Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out
later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the
ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity
on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation &
Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072 Direct Dial: +353
(0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet
Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845






On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
Avri Doria"<mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofAvriDoria> <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
avri at acm.org><mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofavri@acm.org> wrote:



Hi,

Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not
support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but
i think there is a divison between those who belive in the
committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before
making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to
implement this"


avri


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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:19:53 +0300
From: Alexandra Kulikova <alex.kulikova at gmail.com><mailto:alex.kulikova at gmail.com>
To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
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Hi all

There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was critical.
They'd be interesting to have in the room after that hr fallout they had re
blocking Crimean domains in February when forced to implement sanctions.

A.
On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, "Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca><mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
wrote:



Joe Alhadeff, if he is around.  NEed a business constituency person, I
would suggest.
SP
On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever wrote:



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Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add
others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be interested
in asking critical questions?

Best,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

Article 19
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On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:



Avri

As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a
bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially,
illegal.

But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made.
Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll be sorted out
later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the
ICANN space..

So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity
on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.

Regards

Michele

-- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation &
Domains http://www.blacknight.host/ http://blog.blacknight.com/http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072 Direct Dial: +353
(0)59 9183090 ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet
Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845






On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
Avri Doria"<mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofAvriDoria> <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
avri at acm.org><mailto:cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofavri@acm.org> wrote:

Hi,


Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not
support a HR bylaw.

We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but
i think there is a divison between those who belive in the
committment first and working it out as we go.

And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before
making a committment to HR.

So I differentiate between

"I support hr, but ..."

and

"I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are going to
implement this"


avri



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