[cc-humanrights] cc-humanrights Digest, Vol 10, Issue 23
Niels ten Oever
niels at article19.org
Tue Sep 29 21:01:25 UTC 2015
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Hi Stephanie and Susan,
More concrete pointers as to how you think this should be done are
also very welcome in the document.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/19mYpZcg-4pWRB-sKMvUNPlWU-R7oiIGIHnjY
fv0JxPo/edit
I think there are some very practical pointers in there.
Best,
Niels
Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital
Article 19
www.article19.org
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On 09/29/2015 10:38 PM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:
> I agree, and the sooner the conversation starts, the better will be
> the policy from which it hangs. It might be useful to invite one
> of the Board members who does not "get it" wrt why we are looking
> for human rights in the Bylaws. It will help us communicate better
> if we understand our failures. Stephanie Perrin
>
> On 2015-09-29 15:22, susan aaronson wrote:
>> I made exactly that point in my comments on the document. You
>> need to illuminate the "How" to IcANN and someone on the board
>> has to take responsibility for the staff that will be held
>> accountable for implementing human rights.
>>
>> On 9/29/2015 3:20 PM, cc-humanrights-request at icann.org wrote:
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>>> 1. Re: draft agenda public session (Michele Neylon -
>>> Blacknight) 2. Re: draft agenda public session (Stephanie
>>> Perrin) 3. Re: draft agenda public session (Alexandra
>>> Kulikova)
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Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 18:43:10 +0000 From: Michele Neylon -
>>> Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> To: Stephanie Perrin
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> Cc:
>>> "cc-humanrights at icann.org" <cc-humanrights at icann.org> Subject:
>>> Re: [cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session Message-ID:
>>> <6E5C1185-6F94-4138-94C2-62C41F1F868F at blacknight.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>>
>>> Implementation cannot be in a vacuum Unfortunately with the
>>> best intentions in the world it gets overlooked..
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://www.blacknight.irish Sent
>>> from a small shiny object so excuse fat fingers!
>>>
>>>> On 29 Sep 2015, at 19:20, Stephanie Perrin
>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> concerns about implementation is a likely comment. But lets
>>>> not drop Avri, lets just broaden the discussion to include
>>>> some who will argue that piece. SP
>>>>
>>>>> On 2015-09-29 7:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>> Avri
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody is going to say they don?t support human rights :)
>>>>>
>>>>> What they might say is that they have concerns about how
>>>>> this is handled ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Michele
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting,
>>>>> Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>>> http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl. +353
>>>>> (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>>>> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet
>>>>> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/09/2015 12:57, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on
>>>>>> behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>> on behalf of avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> good point. perhaps replace me with someone from the GNSO
>>>>>> who does not support human rights?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29-Sep-15 05:06, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>>>> Niels > > Just a thought, but wouldn?t it be beneficial
>>>>>>> to have someone who
>>>>>> wasn?t on your side? > I know there has been pushback on
>>>>>> the ?human rights? issue with respect to CCWG / IANA
>>>>>> etc., and having someone from that side of the house
>>>>>> might be more beneficial. > > Regards > > Michele
>>>>>>>> -- > Mr Michele Neylon > Blacknight Solutions >
>>>>>>>> Hosting, Colocation
>>>>>> & Domains > http://www.blacknight.host/ >
>>>>>> http://blog.blacknight.com/ > http://ceo.hosting/ > Intl.
>>>>>> +353 (0) 59 9183072 > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 >
>>>>>> ------------------------------- > Blacknight Internet
>>>>>> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>>> > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>>> > > > > > > > > On 29/09/2015 00:16,
>>>>>> "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Niels ten
>>>>>> Oever" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
>>>>>> niels at article19.org> wrote: >
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find underneath my proposal for the draft
>>>>>>> agenda. Looking forward to hear your ideas and
>>>>>>> criticisms. I was thinking of asking more people to
>>>>>>> comment, but I'm afraid the number is already quite
>>>>>>> high. Looking forward to hear what you think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Niels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS I did not confirm anyone yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Draft Agenda CCWP HR public session
>>>>>>> ===================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Welcome and Introductions (Niels & Rafik) - 5 minutes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Update on GAC WG on Human Rights and International Law
>>>>>>> (GAC WG co-chairs / Lee Hibbard) - 5 minutes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Update on CCWG WP4 on human rights (Leon Sanchez) -
>>>>>>> 5 minutes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Presentation chart (Marilia) - 10 minutes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Presentation new report on Human Rights Impact
>>>>>>> assessments and CSR reporting (Motoko) - 20 minutes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments by Leon Sanchez (Chair CCWG WP4)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments by Greg Shatan (IPC)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments by Patrik Falstrom (SSAC)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments by Avri Doria (GNSO)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments by Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments by Wolfgang Kleinwaechter (board)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q&A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Summary (Marilia)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>> Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 14:28:39 -0400 From:
>>> Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> To:
>>> <cc-humanrights at icann.org> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft
>>> agenda public session Message-ID:
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>>> Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency
>>> person, I would suggest. SP On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten Oever
>>> wrote:
> Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy to add
> others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would you be
> interested in asking critical questions?
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
>
> Article 19 www.article19.org
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> On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>>> Avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is
>>>>>> forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are,
>>>>>> essentially, illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was
>>>>>> made. Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll
>>>>>> be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly
>>>>>> sane strategy within the ICANN space..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would
>>>>>> want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard
>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michele
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting,
>>>>>> Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>>>> http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl.
>>>>>> +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>>>>> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet
>>>>>> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on
>>>>>> behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>> on behalf of avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who
>>>>>>> did not support a HR bylaw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all have questions about how a commitment is
>>>>>>> implemented, but i think there is a divison between
>>>>>>> those who belive in the committment first and working
>>>>>>> it out as we go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And those who want to know exactly what the future
>>>>>>> holds before making a committment to HR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I differentiate between
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I support hr, but ..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are
>>>>>>> going to implement this"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> avri
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>>> Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:19:53 +0300 From:
>>> Alexandra Kulikova <alex.kulikova at gmail.com> To: Stephanie
>>> Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> Cc: Human Rights
>>> <cc-humanrights at icann.org> Subject: Re: [cc-humanrights] draft
>>> agenda public session Message-ID:
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>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> There was a guy from GoDaddy at the f2f on Saturday who was
>>> critical. They'd be interesting to have in the room after that
>>> hr fallout they had re blocking Crimean domains in February
>>> when forced to implement sanctions.
>>>
>>> A. On 29 Sep 2015 21:44, "Stephanie Perrin"
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe Alhadeff, if he is around. NEed a business constituency
>>>> person, I would suggest. SP On 2015-09-29 9:53, Niels ten
>>>> Oever wrote:
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Great idea Michele, that's why I proposed Greg. But happy
>>>>> to add others. Any suggestions for people to add? Or would
>>>>> you be interested in asking critical questions?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Niels
>>>>>
>>>>> Niels ten Oever Head of Digital
>>>>>
>>>>> Article 19 www.article19.org
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/29/2015 02:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a European registrar I?m very conscious that ICANN is
>>>>>> forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are,
>>>>>> essentially, illegal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I?d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was
>>>>>> made. Simply committing to something and assuming it?ll
>>>>>> be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly
>>>>>> sane strategy within the ICANN space..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would
>>>>>> want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard
>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michele
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting,
>>>>>> Colocation & Domains http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>>>> http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://ceo.hosting/ Intl.
>>>>>> +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>>>>> ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet
>>>>>> Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on
>>>>>> behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>> on behalf of avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who
>>>>>>> did not support a HR bylaw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We all have questions about how a commitment is
>>>>>>> implemented, but i think there is a divison between
>>>>>>> those who belive in the committment first and working
>>>>>>> it out as we go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And those who want to know exactly what the future
>>>>>>> holds before making a committment to HR.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I differentiate between
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I support hr, but ..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I support hr. I do think we need to discuss how we are
>>>>>>> going to implement this"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>
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