[cc-humanrights] infographic ICANN & Human Rights v0.3 pls comment

Thu Jun 2 19:48:06 UTC 2016

Hi,

I guess my issue then is with the fact that IP mechanisms are included
under Freedom of Expression.  I do not see the connection there either. 
While there may be ESCR that guarantee the personal "material interests
resulting from any scientific,
literary or artistic production of which he (sic) is the author" (15c), 
i don't see the connection between FoE and IP.  Those have their basis
elsewhere.  As does right to the linguistic commons.

avri

avri

On 02-Jun-16 12:56, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
> Hi Avri,
>
> As you know, the closed gTLD issue had many origins, including deep
> competition issues, so I think the issues here are a little different.
> What I am pointing out is that the Human Rights document does not
> actually include a major issue that the public interest advocates in
> ICANN have been working on for over 15 years. And that the use of the
> Internet infrastructure to seek ways to allow certain trademark owners
> to dominate basic dictionary words. I can't think of a more basic
> right than the right to use our names (first and last) and basic
> dictionary and descriptive words in legal and noninfringing ways. 
> That's what completely legal outside of the Internet.  Yet again and
> again trademark owners have come to ICANN seeking additional
> protections -- including the right to block basic dictionary words
> (which happen to be trademarks) in all second level domains.
>
> In fact, I note Rights Protection Mechanisms in the Table embodies
> this ides of "ownership" of a string of letters in the Domain Name
> System -- completely contrary to free expression, fair use and "free
> use of common words" arguments that many in the Noncommercial Users
> Constituency have made for years.
>
> - For example, "Protection of International Organization Names in all
> gTLDs" -- The International Govermental Organizations have come in
> many times to ICANN seeking to protect **their acronyms** in all
> second level domain names. But that would mean that the World Health
> Organization (WHO) would then "own" the word "WHO" online in all gTLDs
> -- although a famous rock group, The Who, should probably have a
> future WHO.ROCKANDROLL and someone might legitimately want to register
> WHO, WHAT, WHY, and WHERE and some future .REPORTING generic top level
> domain to teach the basics of reporting. All of these acronyms are
> used many, many times by organizations and companies... So far, the
> answer has been No. Why would this Table say otherwise???
>
> Overall, trademarks need protecting, but so does the balance of
> language and its use by all. How can you can protect trademark rights
> without protecting the traditional balances to trademark rights?  And
> if so, where are the protections for the traditional limits of a
> trademark (which is a limited right to use a term/terms for a specific
> commercial category of goods and services), and yet not block all
> forms of noncommercial and commercial non-infringing and legal use?
>
> Almost every word is trademarked in the US Trademark Office, yet we
> have not stopped speaking yet ... :-)... or naming our children,
> organizations, groups and small businesses.. or criticizing
> corporations that need it, brands that harm people, and corporate
> practices that abuse them... Are such rights embodied in the Table? 
> Guidance welcome!
>
> Best, Kathy (Kleiman)
>
> On 6/1/2016 4:50 PM, avri doria wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> While I have long felt there is a naive right of the people to the
>> linguistic commons, i am not sure how that roots into the UDHR derived
>> rights.   It is one of the important questions, but I do not see how we
>> argue against tradmarks from a UDHR perspective.
>>
>> Also I thought that the NCSG was divided on this issue.  We saw that
>> division in the argument for private use gTLDs, with claims that a
>> company did not have the right to use the gTLD book for its own closed
>> purposes.  There are those, like me, who thought that of course they
>> could do that.  There those who argue that this is the egregious
>> cultural theft.   I do not know how to approach that issue from a UDHR
>> based rights perspective.  Would be good to getndle on it since it is a
>> persistant issue and I expect will need to be dealt with in the New gTLD
>> Subsequent Procedure PDP.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 01-Jun-16 15:33, Kathy Kleiman wrote:
>>>
>>> <<Do I read this correctly as ensuring that there is no presumption
>>> that trademarks trump other uses of domain name?
>>>
>>> As you know, I'd support that, but I'm just trying to ensure I'm clear
>>> what you mean by/**/"a fundamental right to … allow us all to use
>>> basic dictionary words, our names, and last names, freely and
>>> openly…"/*>>
>>> */
>>>
>>> Pranesh, I think you have summarized the concept brilliantly and
>>> succinctly. Tx you and yes!
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2016 3:07 PM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
>>>> Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> [2016-06-01 14:32:54 -0400]:
>>>>> The right to use domain names to help us label our websites for our
>>>>> children, small businesses, causes and organizations in ways that are
>>>>> legal and noninfringing seems the most basic of human rights.  But on
>>>>> the Internet and in ICANN, large companies would like to reserve
>>>>> "their
>>>>> words" and block all others from registering them in domain names.
>>>>>
>>>>> /*I would urge us a fundamental right to all to push back -- and
>>>>> allow
>>>>> us all to use basic dictionary words, our names and last names,
>>>>> freely
>>>>> and openly in all legitimate and legal ways without prior blocking or
>>>>> prior review. *//*We have fought for this Right to Words since the
>>>>> founding of ICANN -- is this something you might capture in this
>>>>> table?
>>>> Do I read this correctly as ensuring that there is no presumption
>>>> that trademarks trump other uses of domain name?
>>>>
>>>> As you know, I'd support that, but I'm just trying to ensure I'm
>>>> clear what you mean by "a fundamental right to … allow us all to use
>>>> basic dictionary words, our names, and last names, freely and openly…"
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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