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<div>Please find attached and below recordings of the ICANN & Human Rights Call of 29 May 2015.</div>
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<div><b>mp3</b>: <a href="http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=zZ8xDDIU4PY795Cika7Nmy-2FNugFnAwo9az5qWXNwufQ4JYKugfWunBeIOSwwGRsL6OJwaIoitCEh-2Bccn26GRVPEd6Sb3kQEW-2B2jDq-2BiH-2BAM-3D_FiroU9WATfGGQpGIbRb8NkCMVsuIUf2Oa7q-2B6QPGPd0P9ACvn3Y7Ub4pcSRvAWpR4eEu9NGmxpUPeW0JVeMqcxBkC1ajwg6Efba9JnrHuvaGkytYht-2BcRzRzRdO6GDE510ktfNBk9SsN-2BN0dEU5DFF3QEQ5iwAN6-2B-2BxBtC6uhITOohlogAogeBf50rZYVN91efCNDdqf2xJtlfeMsjjuK1MN78RJJX-2FGKygEYME1u7xCpyFjR0s5Etfk2I-2B3-2BiQ25Ut3utW7uZSj6hkGvXus1F3XcHL9zMvARbXOzKN451Kk8sMhQSkHLJnT7DTwRBLPCdvZqlk-2Bqj37s8wsu22fPkWAcci8wusxMAas2uhF0-2F8VuK3SvOX0TVKUYW9ykaFdVDPgT6-2FCiLS6Ke8JoPqySvuZ9VyqmD2fkwKRUmTL4-2BgKGNg5r0UY2Qd6lRvMDXmShk7-2B5l9Zm95ltN9Z39xCCQNHtQEK5-2BIWN-2BJYB-2Feb9jWsRWsN8KDPPA-2Bmg7HJU6ja">https://icann.box.com/shared/static/8hf8xi34aswxx22vr187q5a6z8p53plt.mp3</a></div>
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<div><b>AC Chat:</b></div>
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<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Dear all, welcome to the ICANN and HR call on Friday 29th May 2015</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Rafik Dammak and Niels Ten Oever have joined the meeting</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Hello all!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Welcome Marilia</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:non</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Monika has joined</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:maybe she is shy :)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:00370 628 52 809</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:I also right it here:)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:haha, I read that I am shy here:)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:ok, I wait for the call then!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:Monika, can you pick up?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:I still did not get a call</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:who joined?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi: Pranesh Prakash</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:but I can hear You though,</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Vipul Karbhanda</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:have both joined</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:mayeb someone know, what I should click to make my mic work?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:Clicl on the mic Monika</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:hi!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Alexandra please could you state your full name for record purposes. Thank you</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:Maryam, it's Alexandra Kulikova</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Please start the recording</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:yes, I can,</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Please, can we let the ppl on the phone introduce themselves?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:i'm not sure I won't be able to speak though unfortunately(</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Please, mute your mics</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:niels shoulds disable the mic for his adobe connect :)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:Hi all , there is feedback so we are hearing Niels twice</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:You're welcom Monika, apologies for the lengthy email nonetheless! :)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:What is the deadline to comment?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:Depends if we want to print it nicely</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:If we want it to be gone via editor, design and print, we will need to have it done by Monday</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:@Niels it is a working document for CCWP to continue the discussion, expecting the CCWP to produce its first delvierable</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:Indeed, so we need to agree on a approval procedure (point 1.3 :) )</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:I would see it as an "issue report" not necessarily needed an approval , it is more research work to give input</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:let's discuss this under the next point</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Pranesh Prakash:If we don't make a strong defence of HR, who will? :-) Having said that I don't think there's a need to establish a duty to protect on ICANN's part.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:OF course, they do have this responsibility just we need to proceed step by step. So if the point is made in a note then it is there on the record to be used and referred to later if need be
(just reiterating verbal point in writing)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:+1</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Pranesh Prakash:+1</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Maryam Bakoshi:Nigel Hickson has joined</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Audio issues here. Will have to go out and enter again, sorry</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:+1 from me for leaving it in as example; just to edit and tighten up for now and indicate there option of more detailed analysis later</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Pranesh Prakash:+1 to Marianne</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:Guys, I agree to have it as an example: would You like to have it a shorter part though for now?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:in this particular report?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:+ Lee; it might be too much stuff.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:All at once.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:Hi, if the feeling is to keep it in then perhaps as a note? But Lee is pointing out the timing issue so I would defer to those who know ICANN better than I do</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:Please mute mics when typing! :)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:If in doubt leave it out</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:Agree that the UDRP part might draw attention from the substantial issues int he first partin the shape it is now</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:I might have missed it - could smb please remind again how GAC is going to be engaged?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Pranesh Prakash:Apologies. I have to leave now. But would just like to reiterate that we mustI (strategically) bear the burden of being the people who take positions on sensitive commercial issues. If
we don't, no one else will. We can build bridges after we have some rough position.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:+1 from me Pranesh; point well taken, cheerio!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:@Alexandra we have some GAC members in the CCWP, it has its own working group and Lee is basically doing the liaison. maybe Lee can elaborate here</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Maybe we could move to the session in BA?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:So I would like to get the idea what do we do?: please type in here, so I could briefly have an idea who is for LEAVING the UDRP and who is for TAKING OUT</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:The consensus seems to be that it could be mentioned as an short example, but we leave ourt the longer expose.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:sorry</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Yes, that is my feeling too</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:I'll type</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:@monika in few words more coming work for you :)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:Ok, how long - and how detailed - simply a page or so or approx how long?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:Shorter</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:Mention it, keep it short as a concrete example vs. a full expose.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:yes, yes, so simply a single refernece, You mean - thats it?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:shorter than a page, You mean?</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Niels ten Oever - Article19:Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Monika Zalnieriute:simply like an example mentione, in a sentence?:)</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:guys, just a quick comment/observation: an elaborate description of this one case study now will definitely attract criticism from Russian GAC representatives - as at the Signapore meeting
they were very vocal on the Crimean domains issue from the HR perspective. It's a very debateable issue in terms of how exactly that relates to the ICANN remit, but if the HRtalk starts with UDRP in detail I can expect the reaction :) what I mean is that
there seems to be a strong link for them berween ICANN and that incidet in the HR context. I can expect there will be efforts to stick it in</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:.. I see your point but won't there be this sort of push back anyway? If this example really could become a red herring (forgive the pun) then leave it out for now. We can always put it back
in...</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:yeah I guess you're right.. But it would be good to at least formulate some stance on the issue from the group? or have a longer least of potential case studies for future</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:*list</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:there will be pish back for many topics, that is why we have to work on consensus and "educate"</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Yes, open to collaboration/endorsements</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:we need to get CCWP to have ownership on itw own deliverable</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:I agree; send the final version of the report to the CCWP for comments. People comment best when there is something concrete to comment on.</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:the public session is not clashing with important sessions</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> rafik:kathy is not coming to BA</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:I would go bit further and ask them for their aseesment</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:some sort of responsibility to speak</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:great</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Perfect</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:thanks Niels</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marianne F:Thanks Niels, thanks all for a great meeting</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Thanks all</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Marilia Maciel:Bye all!</div>
<div style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium;"> Alexandra:thanks everyone and bye!</div>
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