<div dir="ltr">Hi Niels, I agree with Bill that it is not an either/or, but I definitely believe it is important to be in the subgroup discussing the language from the outset. The list has been created a couple of days ago and so far the subgroup has exchanged general views mostly making the point that the text should not be over-comprehensive. A possible f2f meeting in Dublin is also being discussed.<div><br></div><div>I was told that it is necessary to join the CCWG on accountability mailing list and from there request to join the WG, but others may confirm. <br><div><br></div><div>Two days ago, the names below were the members of the WG, but I guess there may be more at this point.</div><div><br></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Leon Sanchez<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Mathieu Weill<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Thomas Rickert<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Avri Doria<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Robin Gross<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Nigel Roberts<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Eberhard Lisse<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Matthew Shears<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> David McAuley<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Greg Shatan<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 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Olga Cavalli<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Rafik Dammak<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Suzanne Radell<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Phil Buckingham<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Martin Boyle<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Marilia Maciel<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Markus Kummer<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Marilyn Cade<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Symbol">·</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> Samantha Eisner</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Best!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Marília</span></p></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:30 AM, William Drake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc 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> On Aug 5, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org">niels@article19.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hi James and others,<br>
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> What would be the rationale for a public comment vs participating in<br>
> the subgroup? Just trying to assess the best strategy for engagement.<br>
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</span>It needn’t be either/or, you could work out a proposal here and then take it into the subgroup and indicate this is how the hard core HR folks have been thinking about this. From there you’ll get the push back, modifications, etc, but at least the initial framing will be on the table. Whereas if you just start in the subgroup you could get derailed early on by the push back and a clean formulation won’t have been on the table.<br>
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BD</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Marília Maciel</font></b></div><div><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="#444444">Pesquisadora Gestora - </font><font color="#444444">Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - </font><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)">FGV Direito Rio</span></font></div><div><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="#666666">Researcher and Coordinator - </font><font color="#666666">Center for Technology & Society - </font><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)">FGV Law School</span></font></div><div><font color="#666666" size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><a href="http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts" target="_blank">http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts</a><br></font></div><div><font color="#666666" size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font color="#666666" size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">DiploFoundation associate - </font><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="http://www.diplomacy.edu" target="_blank">www.diplomacy.edu</a></span></div><div><font color="#666666" size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">PoliTICs Magazine Advisory Committee - </font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;line-height:14px;font-size:small"><a href="http://www.politics.org.br/" target="_blank">http://www.politics.org.br/</a></span><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean"</span> - <span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><a href="http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en</a> </span></div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
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